Episode 6: Voidcast #6 – Solar Sands: Voluntary Extinction

Voidcast

In this episode Carlos and Lenny share their thoughts on the video essay "Voluntary Extinction" by @SolarSands.
Request by @shujaatdhar9324.
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LINKS:
• @SolarSands: Voluntary Extinction: https://youtu.be/6O5S2Y4FhJ0
• "Judeo-Christian Antinatalism?" – guest lecture and discussion with Dr. Karim Akerma [+ subtitles]: https://youtu.be/Qs9S0qc3WzQ
• David Benatar confirms he does not have children: https://www.wnyc.org/story/the-harm-of-coming-into-existence/ (at 8:42)
• @Svankmajer: In Defense Of Depressive Realism: https://youtu.be/uQ8yxGYJ4rw
• John discussing antinatalism with Muslims: https://youtu.be/2kO-enPxK0c, https://youtu.be/cs4Pplv6YT0
LITERATURE:
– Théophile de Giraud: The Childfree Christ: Antinatalism in Early Christianity. Amazon 2021.
– Karim Akerma: Antinatalismus: Ein Handbuch. epubli 2017 (5th ed. 2018), s.v. "Musikalisches Mä phynai (Niegeborensein): Queen (Freddy Mercury)", p. 442.
– David Benatar: Better Never to Have Been: The Harm of Coming into Existence. Oxford: Oxford University Press 2006, p. 196; pp. 70–73.
– Julio Cabrera: Discomfort and Moral Impediment: The Human Situation, Radical Bioethics and Procreation. Newcastle upon Tyne: Cambridge Scholars Publishing 2019, p. 11, n. 3.
– Michael Hauskeller: “Anti-natalism, Pollyannaism, and Asymmetry: A Defence of Cheery Optimism”, The Journal of Value Inquiry 56/1 (2022), 21–35. DOI: https://doi.org/10.1007/s10790-022-09884-8 (open access).
– Théophile de Giraud: The Art of Guillotining Procreators: An Antinatalist Manifesto. Chapter VI: "The Right to Sue One's Parents".
– Karim Akerma: op. cit., s.v. "Existenzgeld. Für ein bedingungsloses nativistisches Grundeinkommen", pp. 222–225.
(English translation: Karim Akerma: Antinatalism: A Handbook, trans. Alexander Reynolds. epubli 2021, s.v. "“Existence Allowance”. For an Unconditional Nativistic Basic Income", pp. 186–192.)
– Eduard von Hartmann: Philosophy of the Unconscious, trans. William Chatterton Coupland, vol. III, p. 129.
– Hilan Bensusan / Julio Cabrera / Ana Miriam Wuensch: A moral do começo: sobre a ética do nascimento. Porto Alegre, RS: Editora Fi 2019, pp. 181–182.
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 (intro)
01:41 Solar Sands' video
03:17 introduction: extinction and antinatalism
05:53 Solar Sands' approach to antinatalism
07:52 proto-antinatalist precedents
09:10 biblical antinatalism
13:02 antinatalism in popular culture
14:25 anti-procreative communities today
16:50 David Benatar
19:13 what is antinatalism?
21:58 the axiological asymmetry
23:45 the 'quality of life' argument
26:03 the Pollyanna principle
28:05 necessity of factory farming
29:32 procreative Ponzi scheme
30:51 r/antinatalism
34:39 bad arguments for antinatalism
38:15 bad arguments against antinatalism
40:02 antinatalism and religion
41:43 good arguments against antinatalism
43:47 Solar Sands' own counter-argument / Eduard von Hartmann's objection
49:17 problems in population ethics
50:17 antinatalism's logistical absurdity
51:45 merits of antinatalist philosophy
53:23 concluding thoughts on the video
56:58 (outro)
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intro / outro music: TrackTribe – Lost At Sea