htmx: a new old way to build the web

JS Party: JavaScript, CSS, Web Development

Carson Gross (creator of htmx) & Alex Russell (Mr. Web Platform 3000) join Amal for an EPIC discussion on web architectures, the evolution of rendering patterns & the advantages of hypermedia and htmx. We dive deep on why modern web app best practices are falling short & explore how htmx gives devs an HTML-first approach to use tech that’s over 20 years old.

Tune in to learn a new way to do something old, so you can simplify your code & use JavaScript when/where it’s uniquely able to shine ✨

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Featuring:

• chg – Twitter, GitHub
• Alex Russell – Mastodon, Twitter, GitHub, Website
• Amal Hussein – Twitter, GitHub

Show Notes:

• htmx site and docs
• EPIC htmx Twitter
• Hypermedia Wikipedia
• Hypermedia Systems - A free digital book from Carson Gross, Adam Stepinski, and Deniz Aksimsek
• Hypermedia Reintroduction (from Hypermedia Systems book)
• Infrequently - Alex Russell’s EPIC blog
• The Market for Lemons
• Performance Inequality Series from Alex Russell
• Netflix Web Performance Case Study (refactoring the Netflix login to vanilla html, js and css)
• Roy Fielding’s Dissertation on REST
• REST APIs Must Be Hypertext-Driven
• HATEOAS Wikipedia
• Open Web Advocacy Group
• Open UI Group
• The Website vs Web App Dichotomy Doesn’t Exist
• As We May Type
• More Capable Form Controls
• Fun Hacks for Faster Content
• Google jsaction lib on Github
• Intercooler.js (Carson’s precursor to htmx)

Previous Changelog interviews with Carson Gross on htmx:

• Is htmx the way to Go? (Go Time #266)
• Less JavaScript more htmx (JS Party #171)

The Market for Lemons - Diagram on Session & Interaction Depth vs Application Architectures (referenced in our podcast discussion)

Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Hoofdstukken

1. It's party time, y'all (00:00:00)

2. Hello, everybody! (00:00:56)

3. Getting to know Carson (00:03:51)

4. Getting to know Alex (00:10:13)

5. How we got here (00:13:59)

6. The hypermedia protocol (00:18:58)

7. Sponsor: Socket (00:22:56)

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8. Why do we need JSON? (00:26:20)

9. What htmx is all about (00:48:02)

10. Ajax with attributes (00:53:38)

11. Sponsor: Changelog News (00:59:38)

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12. When htmx is not a good idea (01:01:30)

13. Who's doing this well (01:13:07)

14. Web components & htmx (01:27:40)

15. What the web is missing (01:31:48)

16. Wrapping up (01:42:03)

17. Next up on the pod (01:43:43)