Jonathan Lethem on Novel Writing as a Memory Art

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Perhaps best known for his novels Motherless Brooklyn (1999), The Fortress of Solitude (2003), and Chronic City (2009)—or, more recently, Brooklyn Crime Novel (2023)—the author, essayist, and cultural critic Jonathan Lethem could be considered the ultimate modern-day Brooklyn bard, even if today he lives in California, where he’s a professor of English and creative writing at Pomona College. His most celebrated books take place in Brooklyn, or in the case of Chronic City, on Manhattan’s Upper East Side, and across his genre-spanning works of fiction, his narratives capture a profound sense of the rich chaos and wonder to be found in an urban existence. Lethem is also the author of several essay collections, including the newly published Cellophane Bricks: A Life in Visual Culture (ZE Books), which compiles much of his art writing from over the years written in response to—and often in exchange for—artworks by friends, including Gregory Crewdson, Nan Goldin, and Raymond Pettibon.

On the episode, Lethem discusses his passion for book dedications; the time he spent with James Brown and Bob Dylan, respectively, when profiling them for Rolling Stone in the mid-aughts; how his work is, in part, a way of dealing with and healing from his mother’s death in 1978, at age 36; and why he views his writing as “fundamentally commemorative.”

Special thanks to our Season 10 presenting sponsor, L’École, School of Jewelry Arts.

Show notes:

Jonathan Lethem

[5:35] Cellophane Bricks

[5:35] High School of Music and Art

[5:35] Motherless Brooklyn

[5:35] The Fortress of Solitude

[5:35] The Disappointment Artist

[5:35] Maureen Linker

[7:15] Carmen Fariña

[8:26] Julia Jacquette

[8:26] Rosalyn Drexler

[9:08] The Great Gatsby

[9:08] Brooklyn Crime Novel

[10:59] Lynn Nottage

[13:08] Bennington College

[13:08] Bret Easton Ellis

[13:08] Donna Tartt

[23:41] The Collapsing Frontier

[23:41] Italo Calvino

[23:41] Cold War

[23:41] Red Scare

[23:41] J. Edgar Hoover

[27:37] Dada movement

[27:37] Ernest Hemingway

[27:37] Gertrude Stein

[27:37] Dissident Gardens

[29:38] Reaganism

[29:38] “Does intergenerational transmission of trauma skip a generation?”

[31:21] John Van Bergen

[31:21] Nan Goldin

[34:33] “The Ecstasy of Influence”

[34:33] Lawrence Lessig

[35:31] Copyleft movement

[35:31] Hank Shocklee

[38:46] Hoyt-Schermerhorn Station

[42:32] “Being James Brown: Inside the Private World of the Baddest Man Who Ever Lived”

[42:32] “The Genius and Modern Times of Bob Dylan”

[51:00] Chronic City

[54:04] The Thalia

[55:50] “Lightness” by Italo Calvino

[1:06:26] Jorge Luis Borges