Tommy Robinson - The Battle for Britain: Rallies, Riots and the Fight for Free Speech

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Our latest interview with Tommy Robinson covers the recent events in the UK, where Tommy talks about his interactions with various media outlets and the attacks he's facing from the government and police forces. He discusses the rallies he has organized and how they were managed peacefully despite challenges. Tommy also delves into the manipulation of mainstream media to portray the protests as far-right extremism rather than addressing the concerns of British citizens. He highlights the double standards in how the authorities handle different groups and the bias in labelling demonstrations.
Tommy shares his experience of being detained under counterterrorism legislation, where he was interrogated without the right to remain silent and pressured to reveal sensitive information regarding his work as a journalist. He emphasizes the abuse of power and lack of evidence to support the accusations against him. Tommy also addresses the recent riots in Southport and the media's portrayal of him as instigating violence, which has put his life at risk.
The conversation shifts to the role of social media, especially platforms like X (Twitter) and the impact of individuals like Elon Musk in supporting free speech. Tommy reflects on the support he has received from various figures and the importance of amplifying voices like his to challenge the narrative created by mainstream media. He acknowledges the danger he faces for exposing truths and the need for open discussions to combat censorship and control of information. Tommy expresses gratitude for the opportunity to tell his story, including his interview with Jordan Peterson, which he believes can contribute to a cultural revolution in Britain.

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Hearts of Oak:

And hello, Hearts of Oak. And it's wonderful to have the enemy of the state, Mr. Silenced, Mr. Tommy Robinson, back with us once again. Tommy, thanks so much for your time today.

Tommy Robinson:

I've had a bit, yeah. I've had a bit. I know.

I want to get your thoughts on what's happened in the UK over the last 10, 12 days.

And then look at the difference between the mainstream media and the alternative media. And, of course, where we are with Keir Starmer and the UK government clamping down, all of that. but you've been, I mean, I appreciate your time because I know you've been in crazy demand. What have you been, what shows have you been doing recently where people can find you?

I've done Ann Coulter. I've done Alex Stein.

I've done, I've been on Alex Jones. I've been on, I've been on loads, man. I haven't, yesterday I didn't sleep. I went all through the night doing America, America, America. I've done Fresh and Fit.

I've done, I've done so many. Which is a great opportunity because at the minute I've got I'm under a full-on attack where of total lies total lies saying I instigated that I encourage violence all these did from my sun lounger which is I fled the country because of the riots it's all lies there's no evidence to back up any word of what they're saying but they've put a massive target on me huge there's now Somalian's making videos to murder me there's men doing videos of machine guns saying they're going to kill me all of this slander and this these lies are propagated by my government and police force so every video I've put luckily I've still got a platform here on X I've been able to show people here's what they're saying and here's what I said I've called for non-violence people protests I've actually said you're moronic put the bricks down I've told older men to go get hold of the youth take their masks off they're going to go to jail they're angry young men they're angry because their country is being destroyed they're being neglected they've been forgotten they're angry and I understand their anger so I've been saying look you need to show them we had two successful rallies one on the 1st of June one on the 27th of July just before these riots we had 100,000 people there they weren't they weren't.

They weren't peaceful because, they were peaceful because we managed it. We harnessed and directed that anger into a festival of celebration and showed people, let us be your voice. What you're seeing the week after that is a rudderless ship, a total rudderless ship with no leadership and organic. They want to portray this organized far-right network. They weren't an organized far-right network. network there was individuals in towns and cities across the country coming out in the streets.

Outraged at what they've been made to watch not just for a day or a week but decades and anger spilled over so and what they've done what they've successfully done when I look at now by the government rather than have to talk about one or any issue of open border mass migration filling all the hotels not giving winter um not uh taking away from the old age pensioners when they can't can't afford their heating. They haven't had to address any of these issues, immigration, knife crime, terrorism. They've not had to talk about any of it because they've just gone far right, English feds league.

They've resurrected an organisation that's been dead for 10 years and then they've used their propaganda in the media to pump it across the whole nation that there's a hundred far right riots planned when there wasn't one. There was one peaceful demonstration planned that night in Ormshaw and it was totally peaceful. So they created this hysteria and then literally their propaganda machine of the national media run the same front page across every single newspaper in our land run the same front page about defeating the racist extremists so they managed to paint the entire situation as racial and extremism rather than concerned British citizens sick to death of being ignored so their machine and what they've done and then point it all at me so then they can justify whatever imprisonment or whatever they want to throw at me, locking people up for 26 months for shouting aggressively at police, that you can stand in the centre of London and you can stand under the platform of Hizb ut Tahrir, the prescribed terrorist organisation, and you can call for jihad and Muslim armies and the Metropolitan Police Force will put out a statement saying there's plenty of different meanings of jihad. They'll defend your right to do that, but they'll lock you up for 26 months if you shout, if you're angered by the death and murder of three young girls.

I want to get into that and obviously how you've been a target for, certainly not as much, I haven't seen this attack on you for many, many years. So this is a new, and people can obviously read your stories, Enemy of the State, the first book. You need Enemy of the State, new and improved, but that's in silenced, the second book. All the links are in the description. But can I, first of all, before how you fit into this and how you become once again a target of the state, what kind of sparked this all from last Monday for the WarRoom Posse, the US viewers who've got bits of this, your assessment from actually what happened from the beginning of last week? When this goes out on Monday, it'll be two weeks ago. Okay.

What day did the riot start in Southport? What day?

Was it the Tuesday or Wednesday after? I think. I don't know. I need to check.

Was it so I we held a rally 100 000 people the biggest gathering of patriots Britain's ever seen and we we know the infiltrators like January 6th we know that the security services would want to disrupt in fact anyone listening to this google special demonstration squad these are organizations that the British government use and they go into peaceful demonstrations and they provoke violence And they send in agitators to create the scene that they want. So they don't want a 100,000 multi-ethnic, different religions, diverse group of the British public having a voice. They don't want that. What they want is loads of people labelled as hooligans, folks on far right, who are easy to dismiss, which means all of their policy failures, they do not have to have a discussion about. But they've met that they've seen what we've done we have combined men and what our instruction was to the men of England and Britain who were on the streets at both of our demonstrations if anyone turns up with face coverings we will confront them ourselves so we within our own crowd if you get four or five men because they can't do it bare face because people find out who the security service are who they're because they'll get found out now within there so every one of these like Like in America, like here, like Antifa, like all these groups, they dress in total black, all black, and then they go smash things up and they provoke a riot.

But it was impossible to do that on our demonstrations because we put out the instructions to all of our lads from all over the country. Every football club had representations there. We had the tough men from England.

The instruction was if anyone turns up with their face covering, pull their face covering off and pull them up and say, what are you doing? If anyone tries to instigate violence, we'll deal with them.

And we told the police this in the build up to the meeting. So you're not going to be needed because if anyone comes there for violence, we will sort them out because we're not going to allow them to commit violence in our name, our demonstration. And we and that would have sent a message to the establishment that would have scared them they were terrified that they couldn't control how this group were portrayed and the reason they couldn't control it because even though the mainstream media on the day of the 27th and the day of the 1st of June where there was no arrest no trouble no violence even though they pumped headlines saying football hooligans fucked we had nearly a million people watching each one live on X and we invited and gave press passes to every citizen journalist there is every rising star of citizen journalists they were who we focused on we give them the we give them first treatment we told the mainstream go away yeah you're not welcome here okay because you're just gonna lie we know what you're here to do so that day both those days which they can't control very fast across all social medias and everywhere was a real portrayal of our movement which was a beautiful coming together to celebrate British culture and British identity it wasn't far right it wasn't racism wasn't fucked and their weapon of the media wasn't successful in demonizing targeting us so we had these events we went from 30,000 to 100,000 I guarantee the next one will be 250,000 so what do they do at that point what do they do well I probably get to the docks the next day.

So we're talking about Sunday and I'm detained under counterterrorism legislation, so I'm detained.

I think you're a terrorist that was new to me Tommy

New to me mate no no No, in fact, let me tell you their words. The officers who detained me, first thing they done was took my phone and they said, you're not under arrest, but this legislation means you're detained. So I said, am I free to go? No, you're not. They said, but this is what matters. You do not have a right to remain silent. You have no right. So they showed me the legislation paperwork and what it says, as they read it out, is we believe that you may be in the preparation or involved in a preparation investigation of terrorism. And then they said, we don't. We know you're not. Both of them said it. We know you're not. But this legislation gives us the opportunity at airports and borders to put you in for six hours we've got from the start of when we started interviewing you. We have six hours. You do not have a right to remain silent. And they'd already taken my phone. So and to make you aware, you have to give us the the password on your phone so we can download every bit of data from it.

And I said, and I was upset. I was obviously pissed off. I said, you've got genuine terrorists that you're not monitoring. Genuine people flying terrorist organisation flags across our capital since October 7th that you're not prosecuting. But here you've got me, and I'm sat here now under terrorism legislation.

And then they start asking me questions. So then they sit me down. They take me in. They sit me down. And then they start asking me questions. Questions such as, what's the next stage of planning for your movement? I said, so I have to answer this. So what happens if I don't answer this? If you don't answer this, you're guilty of a terrorism offence.

So it's basically a fishing expedition to find out what you're up to.

Total fishing expedition to find out what I'm up to, who's involved, what our plans are. Which I said, one of their questions is, what's your opinion of the UK? I said, honestly, a totalitarian shithole. That's what my opinion is. And they said, well, can you explain that? I said, I'm sat here under counter-terrorism legislation, and you know I'm not a terrorist. Is you've got me in here so you can ask me questions about my legal lawful activity and work as a journalist so you can dig which is not which is not you're you're absolutely abusing your rights here you're abusing your power and you're taking my rights away from me but I went through and I had to answer their questions one of the questions was how do you think you're going to stop the great replacement so is this is this for real yeah is this actually for real and then Another question was, why can't there be a two-state solution in Palestine?

I just said, but I kept asking him the questions. I said, okay, would you give ISIS a statement?

Simple question, would you support a state for ISIS to be in total governance and control of? If the answer's no. And then, so we're going back and forward.

Six hours they groomed me for, six hours, yeah. Then they come in and said, right, we're giving you an opportunity. And by this time, because they'd sat me there for an hour first before the interview, I'd read their paperwork. Now, they weren't allowed to question me on anything that would reveal sources of information for my journalism, because they're not allowed to know your sources. At which point, when they said, give us a pin code for your phone, I said, you know, I'm a journalist. I'm a full time journalist. You know, that's my work phone.

So every bit of information that's on it, you're not having. And I'm explaining to them, I said, let me tell you why you're not having it. Because I have dealt with grooming gang, which is Islamic jihad rape gangs, yeah? I have dealt with the survivors of them to put together a five-part series so far, and I'm working on episode six. Episode six, we expose a politician, one of your Labour politicians, who's involved, yeah? So we have covert recordings. We all set up for my work. Also, these girls don't trust you, but they put their trust in me. So they want to have a voice. The reason why they don't trust you is because we've already exposed your senior ranking police officer in Telford was taking money off the gangs. We've done that in episode two or episode one. We've also, we know from government reports now that your police officers were destroying evidence in Rotherham. We know that they were collapsing cases in Manchester after the death of a 15-year-old girl. We know that your officers have cooperated and operated to conspire to hide these cases and these facts that's a fact that's not my opinion that's a fact so what you're asking have any.

Police been prosecuted for the evidence you produce in those films none they haven't even

Done it no they've ignored it so the mainstream media of course none and then even they said I said now in one of our episodes that we showed you in telford your police gave the gangs the location of the girl. So you want me to give you the pin code for my phone? I'm just saying this out loud so you understand how ridiculous this is. You want me to endanger the sources of information because that's what it's going to do. You're going to put it on your little computer system that every Muslim police officer in the country has access to. I said, I'm sorry, lads. I'm not willing to do that.

And I don't believe you have a right to do that because you know I'm a journalist. So I'm not giving you the pin code for my phone. well now we're going to move from detaining you to arresting you you're arrested under blah blah blah the terrorism act and you will now be transferred to a police station to undergo to to undergo interview under caution and you will then be charged so I said okay so be it then that's that's how I'm not and again if this is meant to be worrying for me you need if you want to prosecute me as a terrorist you prosecute me as a terrorist I'm not going to let these girls down and I'm not going to let any source of information down that's helped me expose your corruption or politicians corruption especially and then there are even they asked me so but and I said information on that phone is legally privileged I'm back and forward you're prosecuting me as you know for contempt of court I have information on there about my case going back and forward with my lawyer and they asked me in the interview in the interview they asked me I had a case um Justice Nicklin where so basically they're doing me for contempt of Court for showing a film. Now, new evidence has come to light since the conviction that Justice Nicklin fell out with his own father, who's a supporter of me.

So they would love access to my phone. Of course they would, yeah? Because they're preparing to send me to jail for a film which has now had 42 million views. So they're pretty upset, yeah? But so I said, this is counterterrorism. So they then transferred me to a police station where I'm waiting for my lawyer. I then underwent an interview where I explained exactly the same again. You are not having access to my privileged information and you're not having access to sources of information. So I'm sorry, you're not going to have access to my phone. At which point, and my solicitor had been told I was being charged. I'd been told I was being charged because it's pretty black and white. If you don't give them your PIN code, you're guilty. So this was.

On the Sunday. They want to charge you after their six hours of terrorism investigation.

And they took me at eight in the morning, half eight in the morning. And by the time I got to interview, so I'd had six hours, and I'm at a police station. They put me back in the cell after interview, and I'm waiting to be charged and get my court date. And they're obviously outside. I don't know what's going on outside of the cells, but this is blowing up. People are outside down the street, I believe. There's 7 million views on the fact I've been arrested on X, which again, remember, if we didn't have X, they'd have total control of the narrative.

So they could tell people what they want. And I saw the interview with Nigel Farage. And this is the problem. When you elect politicians who are supposed to represent the people and supposed to be counter to the establishment, room he just parrots the establishment's message every time every time so his own reform voters would have been contacting his party they've got five five members saying this is an abuse of power yeah which it totally is and when Nigel Farage was interviewed on trigonometry he said well we got told it was due to terrorism but it wasn't it was a passport violation well that's nonsense and he knows that's nonsense because our forms as soon as I got out so I get out at 11 o'clock at 11.

Morning to night.

Morning to night. And they didn't charge me. So my solicitor said, something's gone on here.

We know you were getting charged that why haven't they charged you? And I don't think they charged me because the embarrassment of it. And because actually, because I'm a journalist, it's a very difficult case for them because you can't have access to my work phone. Yeah.

And this is going to go to court if you charge me. The public are going to watch it. You're going to have to admit what you've already said is that you know I'm not a terrorist. You know I'm not involved in terrorism. So you're blatantly abusing the powers that you have. Now, the problem is, it's like the Patriots Act in the United States. They we have mass problems from open border immigration so they bring in ideologies that wish to destroy our nation destroy our people they act in a certain way jihad bombs beheadings stabbings they do all this then the government bring in new law and legislation which they tell us is to tackle them but then they use it to tackle anyone who embarrasses them or challenges their narrative or exposes their own corruption so that's what they're doing and that's what this was and I was bailed unconditional bail so there's been a lot of talk that I fled the country because of the riots so let's just get the timeline in frame here yeah I'm at a demonstration on Saturday I'm meant to have been out of the country on the sun no I'm at a demonstration on Sunday Saturday I should have been leaving the country Saturday morning I had a pre-planned holiday booked 18 months prior to this with my three children yeah so i wasn't fleeing the country because of riots, because they hadn't started yet, yeah? And the police took my phone. So when I left the country on the Sunday, I had no phone.

So then I've left the country. I've gone all the way through France. I was dropping a car off. That was what I was doing. I was getting paid to drop a car off to someone, to my friend, for him, into the south of Spain. So I'm driving. It's not until I even get into Spain that I pick up a phone. I pick up a phone, and then I'm able to take my arrest sheet out, my bail conditions out, my bail forms out.

So Nigel Farage, before he makes this video, and if I'm led to believe that he hasn't researched this before talking about it or he hasn't seen the social media posts he's even mistaken or he's an out and out liar right and what I believe is that he's too much of a coward to have a discussion just like I know he come out in the end and challenged the banks closing people's banks but he didn't do it for nine years we had our I had my bank accounts closed in 2009 they all knew this they knew the treatment we're receiving and it's always it's me today it's you tomorrow so stop me under terrorist legislation let them get away with this abuse of power and you know what I covered, journalistically, a similar case to this on Paul Golding from Britain First. He travelled to Russia. When he landed, they abused the power exactly like this. I went to his case because I said, if they do it to him, they'll do it to us. And I went and listened to his case, and they accepted in that case they knew he wasn't a terrorist. So it's a total abuse, but he still was convicted of terror offenses.

Paul Golding is convicted of terror offenses for refusing to give the government and the police access to his phone and computers, right? It's a total liberty. They know he's not. Now, this legislation was only brought in in case, say, they know there's going to be a terrorist attack. There's been a terrorist attack here. They know other terrorists are in the knowledge of where the next attack is. They detain them. Then they have this legislation that means you can't remain inside them because you've got to tell us because we need to save lives, yeah? That's what it was brought in for. Not this. not to ask people about their lawful political movement or their demonstrations or their organisation or their cultural movement because that's what they asked me for they grilled me for six hours everything to do with this so now I've been released, At the same time as this, then I think the next day or whatever, three little girls have been butchered to death and a dozen have been snapped.

And let me say, six, seven, and nine, three little girls, and that was on the Monday, yes, the day after your... So that obviously...

If it was on the Monday, I didn't even have a phone. I didn't even have a phone. So whenever that attack was, I didn't even own a phone. So I couldn't go on the internet, I couldn't message back if it happened on the Monday. I don't know what day. Let me have a look what day. Can I look now quickly?

I think it was Monday. I think it was Monday the 29th. I think.

I didn't have a phone. I didn't have a phone. It's impossible for me to have a phone because I was driving. I drove for 20 hours. Yeah. I drove the whole way. So I didn't have a phone, man, if that was when it happened. Yeah. But somehow, somehow, the media are saying I'm orchestrated. So these attacks happened in Southport. Now, when you're saying, so your viewers understand, Southport is a close-knit, working-class community. I spoke to one, a few days after the attack, I spoke to one uncle of a girl who was stabbed.

He described that when the man come into the classroom, this girl must have been coming back from the toilet or something. His niece, it was his niece. He grabbed her by the hair, stabbed her straight for her face. So he destroyed her forever. Stabbed her for her face. Stabbed her took her bicep off stabbed her in the body dropped her like a bit of meat yeah gone on to the room started stabbing them all but he thought she's dead then he's gone on so this one man this uncle of this child he said tommy you gotta understand that happened to one side the family on my other side the family it was the god door one of the god doors was murdered seven years old, stabbed seven times. So imagine the anger, the frustration, the boiling over. So the local community have come out for a vigil for these goers. So all the men in this town are at vigil. Now, it's impossible to have been organised by any group. It's a vigil.

So they're at this vigil, and then word spreads because what visibly looks like an Arab has been detained with a balaclava and a knife in the road around the corner. There's a video of the man being arrested. He's got a big knife. So word spreads.

Bearing in mind the tensions that are already there, the frustrations that are already there, the fact I believe that the government or the police come out and said it wasn't a terrorist attack after about an hour. And everyone's like, how can you possibly know that? and bearing in mind so your viewers understand a day or two or three before this a soldier in full military uniform has walked out of his barracks and a migrant who's been in the country about six months gets off a motorbike and runs over and butchers him stabs him and stabs him and stabs him this doesn't really make British news okay the controlled media it doesn't really make the news and as the wife comes out and tries to help her husband and as other people do this migrant doesn't stab anyone.

Only targets the man in military uniform. We've seen exactly this previously with Lee Rigby. Michael Adebolajo, a Nigerian convert to Islam, someone we previously made videos about and warned about, him and another Nigerian convert stabbed to death Lee Rigby, and they behead him in the street. Again, they don't stab any passers-by, because what they say in their view is he was a fair and legitimate target of war because he was in a British uniform for military. So when we've seen this one we're then told that this mental health episode was it was mental health so that the man who was totally mentally ill only chose the soldier to stab yeah and there was no political or ideological motivation for that attack now I'm sorry we don't buy it I don't buy it the British public don't buy it so and I'll get I'll tell you why we don't buy I'll tell you my reason why I don't believe them and and what they said after the murder of the three girls is when We're managing the situation of what's told. They're managing. Now, in 2016, and I ask anyone listening to this, go on your computer and Google Russell Square attack.

If you're in America, one of your citizens was butchered to death in this attack. You won't see it under the terrorist attack list because they didn't class it as a terrorist attack. So a Muslim went in to his mosque, which was nowhere near Russell Square. He goes into his mosque and he says he wants to kill non-Muslims. Now, rather than bring the security services to the police, his imam said a prayer for him.

They prayed for him, okay? There's a process they're meant to follow if there's extremists within the mosque, and that's called the prevent strategy, which is by our government. They didn't do that. So they should have faced prosecution, but they prayed for him. He then left Brussels Square, mentally ill, didn't establish Muslims, where his area where he lived was all Muslims. He went into the area of tourists and non-Muslims, and he butchers seven people, one of them dying, American tourists, And in between butchering each person, he screams, Allah Akbar. Yeah.

Which we're told means hallelujah in Islam. It couldn't be further from the truth.

Well, guess what? This wasn't a terrorist attack either. This was an episode of mental health. There's another case where a Muslim. How come these Muslims who keep committing murder when they're having mental health, how come they only target non-Muslims in those mental health episodes? sons. There's another case. A grandma had her head cut off in a garden in London. In London, she's 88 years old. She's beheaded. Whilst he was screaming, Allah Akbar. But of course, this wasn't a case of terrorism either. So when, and look, this may have been an episode of mental health. He targeted a Taylor Swift concert. I think we've just had another Taylor Swift concert. Two or three Muslims have been arrested who were planning to blow up and kill and stab have children again at a Taylor Swift concert in Austria within the same two weeks. So the local community around, they're angry, they're upset, they're broken hearted, they're grieving. Another Arab, an identified Arab, looks like an Arab, has been caught with a knife and screwdriver and their frustration boils over into total fury. And then as they riot with the police...

That night, a statement's given by the police saying that it was the English Defence League. Now, as soon as I saw this, I knew. As soon as I saw this, I knew what was coming. I knew. I know what they're doing. I know now what they're doing. I know what's going to happen from this. So I knew. Well, the English Defence League, and so your listeners understand, I started the English Defence League in 2009. And I left it in 2014. By 2015, it was gone. Now, if you want to check out Google searches, yeah, because they're trying to hide all this, Since 2017, it hasn't been mentioned. Do you know why it hasn't been mentioned? Because there is no organisation called the English Defence League. So for the lead police officer to say it was the English Defence League is a total falsehood and a total lie and a total manipulation of the truth. The truth is that the British public are furious of mass open border immigration.

Endangerment of their women, their daughters and their safety.

The rapes have gone on up and down our country. the migrants have been invited in and continually raping and killing from these hotels as well they're in the hotels so this developed into a riot watch my video so they keep saying I've instigated the riots and I've called for violence and attacks against mosques there's that but they don't quote any evidence or show any video footage or any quotes of what I've said in fact what they use is evidence that I've done that is one tweet where I said mass deportations needed now I'm not going to apologize for saying mass deportation is needed because they are needed every one of these migrant men who have come through 16 safe countries into our country who are economic migrants not refugees they're illegally entered our country so they broke the law anyway they're not here for safety because they were safe in France they were safe in every other country they went here they're here for economical reasons yeah many of them many of them and they're not there's not women and children we're not talking about families here and it would be a different conversation if we was we're talking about fighting age military men who we know nothing about criminal records ideologies are they members of ISIS were they members of ISIS how do they we don't know anything but then they're not just born in this country but they're plumped into hotels in every town city and they're done at a time when the British public are suffering they're suffering financially as a country economically can't get a dentist appointment people are pulling their own teeth out can't see a doctor the NHS rate list is ridiculous cancer page after Covid after they after that other manipulation of the truth all of these things have wound up the British public yeah they've been.

Crying out for help and they've been ignored and every time they try to have a voice.

Like that this evening Southport families have come out men have come out they're.

All called far-right racists and that's what the automatic go-to was far-right extremists English feds league and then since then it's been directed at me.

Everything's been directed at me doesn't matter what I've said you know what it doesn't matter I've said If you go and search my name now on TikTok, you can't find one video. You search my name on Instagram, you can't find one video. Facebook can't find one video. So whilst they delete the truth of what I've been saying, they use the propaganda and their weaponized media to flood every day for the last seven days, every day.

Every talk show, every radio host. And once they started that lie, but Piers Morgan's done a video again saying that I have called for violent attacks against mosques. Now, what does that do when someone lies like that on such a high profile show with Andrew Tate that goes to tens of millions of people? Somalians are now making videos calling for my death and saying they're going to murder me. They've directed so much hate at me. And what it does is to protect their policy failures. People are upset because you, your failure of open border immigration has destroyed the cohesion of our country and our towns and cities people feel like foreigners in their own land you've destroyed it and you wish to continue to shut the public up until it's too late and basically what the labour government have come out since this has said is you will be replaced shut up and sit down and if you don't shut up and sit down we'll put you in jail yeah if you say mean hurty words online we're going to lock you up as well so and they've made I believe direct messages to me talking about people who are abroad who think they can fan, I'm sorry, but give the British public the reality of the situation in their country. He's not fanning the flames.

It's reality. I want to pick up just on two of those because I know time is short. But let me just, two quick things. One, how social media has worked. And watching Elon Musk coming out and actually going head to head with two-tier care and highlighting what's happening. And when he was threatened by the Labour government, he just started just reposting all the videos. On the other side you've got the the lamestream media actually putting something different but what does that mean because your voice is amplified on twitter and it is Elon Musk for all the the other negative side maybe stuff he's done actually he is a free speech advocate absolute free speech and he seems to be the main opposition to the labour government

Would we do without X currently what would it look like about X well what it would look like is Muslims have rioted for seven days they've walked around with machetes swords baseball bats poles they've savagely beaten English people on the floor who are innocent going home from work none of you would even know any of that because no mainstream media have bought it they've totally gone with a totally different narrative yeah they're painting a totally different picture of the reality of what's been going on over the last seven days yeah they're painting a picture of far-right white racists, rather than concerned parents. They've totally manipulated the entire situation, and every mainstream media has been part of that. Now, the reason why they hate us, citizen journalists, is because we're giving the public, here's what's happening. Now, if there wasn't an X and there wasn't an Elon Musk, people, we're already under total communist control. That's the reality. There is no freedom of speech. There's none in Great Britain. For the last five years, remember, I made a video showing, here's what I said, here's what they're saying, I said, on X this week, it's had 7 million views. And those 7 million people can see the total lies they're telling.

But if I didn't have X, people would just believe that I've instigated and I've coordinated and I've sent my foot soldiers to burn the country. Because that's what they've been told. There's no evidence to it. But that is the power of the media. Now, the one sticking thing in their way at the minute is Twitter, X, and Elon Musk. And Elon Musk, I think, will be remembered not for sending things to space, not for Tesla, not for any of these things. I think in history, he's going to be remembered at the forefront of the battle for freedom of speech. If they take our speech, which they've took, they've already took it. We're fighting back to get it through X, but they took it for five years. They control everything you've seen here. And the mass awakening that's happened since their COVID lies is people realize when we were censored, they justified it because we're talking against Islam. We must be extreme racists. But then their censorship spread to doctors, nurses and scientists. So the mass awakening of the public to make people question what they're being told spread as well and that has created a mass mass awakening who do not trust the media in anything they say basically if you read the story and my film, the reason why they're so upset my film that's on 42 million views now totally, 100%, exposes the corruption of the British judiciary and what the American audience and anyone watching this, this film is bigger than my story.

This is what they're doing to Donald Trump. This is the weaponization of the media. So they can't get you one way. They'll use the media to destroy you. If that doesn't work, if the public is still siding with you, then they'll use their corrupt judiciary without a jury, which is what they keep doing to me. No jury. Bring me into court. It doesn't matter what evidence you bring to court. So I'm watching now. And yes, I'm worried. I'm watching now as they tell the world I've instigated riots. And I'm thinking, they're going to lock me up. There's no evidence. But they don't need evidence.

I know that. I've been through their system. I know what this does.

I know what they're doing. I can see it. I Googled my name this morning, Peter, and looked at articles for the last 24 hours and could not believe what I'm reading. I can't believe what I'm reading. Now, this then, so this is their attack, but will it have the adverse effect whilst we've got social media? Because there's now 20 million, 30 million, I think 50 million people a day reading my messaging. Yeah they're people who are seeing the lies they're exposing themselves through this so yeah I'm their target but am i the target you're the target everyone listens to this it's you yet they want to take get rid of me because they want to control what you see they want to tell you how to think and what to think about certain characters and people and ideas they want total and out of control and at the minute Elon Musk is in their way now you saw the attempt on Donald Trump's the assassination attempt. He shouldn't be here. I think that's headed for Elon Musk, because Elon Musk is in the way. The reason why he's in the way is because with free speech, with citizen journalism, we can expose them. We can bring them down. We have the power to awaken the world.

We was, with 100,000 people on the street and a million people watching live on the 27th of July, we're on the verge of a cultural revolution in Great Britain. They have to do this. What you're seeing now, but there's a borderline. There's a borderline between coming down hard on us and creating a martyr. And they're going to go, I believe their stupidity is going to create a martyr in myself. That's what I believe, yeah? Not good for me. Not good at all.

Not good at all.

But for our cause...

I just want to finish off with one thing about the support you've had, because I've been intrigued and you've gone through different phases. And I've had the privilege of knowing you back 17, 18 years ago when I first met you. But actually, you've had times where huge support and times where you've been pushed on and the state has been winning for a while. But actually seeing people like Carl Benjamin, seeing people like Mahar Tousi, seeing people like Lawrence Fox, seeing people like Calvin Robinson. And that was one thing of seeing people standing up and supporting you who maybe are regarded as a little bit more mainstream. And that's not a negative term at all to them. And that's been super. But then actually watching your interview with Jordan Peterson, I watched the whole interview with you and Jordan and Tammy. And the interesting thing was whenever he interviewed Elon Musk, it was Jordan interviewing Jordan. And Elon didn't really get much to say. whenever Jordan was interviewing you you had 90% of the time and that showed he was genuinely Interested in your story and wants to do a part two and whenever you've got people like that amplifying your voice and what you're doing to me that shows that actually we're winning and actually we can win this thing

To me I was so grateful that Jordan Peterson gave me that opportunity to tell my story and I'm very grateful because I believe my life's currently in danger yeah I believe my life is in danger for telling the truth for waking them people for showing the public what they're not showing you yeah and Jordan Peterson sitting down with me I've watched him for years he's a very influential man he he didn't have to do that and Jordan Peterson doesn't have to cover these topics Jordan Peterson is a very successful intelligent man who could go into and lead a very comfortable life so I have massive respect and admiration for anyone who decides to put their face on the forefront, take risk of sitting down with people who they don't. And this isn't to think that Jordan Peterson agrees with me on everything I stand for, because he said to me he doesn't, yeah? And that's the same with everyone. But to sit down and have open discussions is what we need. We need massive open discussions. We need more speech, not less of it. We don't need you to control our speech. The public aren't stupid. If I'm wrong, it's like when this judge tried to hide this film. Well, if it's such a clear-cut case, why don't you let the public see the evidence? Why do you need to hide it?

And 42 million people have watched that film. I guarantee you there's not one. The public now know that I was prosecuted. I was bankrupt. All on a lie. My only crime is telling the truth. That's my crime. And if you want to send me to jail for telling the truth, then you do that. Because that's going to say more about you. And I'm lucky now. Am I lucky? I'm lucky that 42 million people have watched it. So I know, no matter what happens here, Because last time when they convicted me of this case, they just used their weapon, the media, to tell everyone I lied. Well, now, that narrative ain't going to wash. You can't do that this time. You want to send me to jail? Everyone knows the soldier truth. 42 million people, 52 million, 62 million, 100 million people by the time you get me in a prison cell. 100 million people. So for me, success. Success. Well, not for me personally. For my cause. My cause is about, and this is.

Even like Nigel

Farage. I believe Nigel, Nigel, speak up. And like, I think he wants to be part of the establishment.

I want to bring the establishment down. Yeah. I want to bring them down. So I want to bring their fraudulent, corrupt politicians, the sell-outs, sell-outs to the new world order, sell-outs to the World Economic Forum, sell-outs. None of the, they're not working for the interest of the British public. So, but yeah. Anyway, Pete, I think I've got my next one.