Michael Gungor (Vishnu Dass) explores how clinging to our most important stories imprisons us in suffering. Freedom is simply loving THIS.
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Join Steve Zank for conversations about the theology of Christian worship and how it is relates to practice, design, and culture. The "Theology in Motion" podcast is produced by the Center For Worship Leadership, Christ College, Concordia University Irvine, CA. "Theology In Motion" is a part of the Center for Worship Leadership Podcast Network, for more information and other shows see us at cwlonline.org.
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Worship Leaders as Loved and Sent (Cloeter)
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In this episode we share Rev. Jeff Cloeter's plenary from the 2023 Worship Arts Leader Initiative (WALi) Summit: Worship Leaders as Loved and Sent. Be encouraged - you are much, much more than your achievements - you are loved by God in Jesus! SHOW NOTES Links to Pastor Cloeter's Book:https://www.amazon.com/Loved-Sent-Words-Define-Matter/dp/1938840…
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Psalm 65 (Hope Has An Answer): Behind the Music w/ Mike Middendorf and Kip Fox
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In this conversation with Rev. Dr. Mike Middendorf and Kip Fox, we explore the song "Psalm 65 (Hope Has an Answer)" based upon the text of Psalm 65 - a part of The Center for Worship Leadership's Psalm Library. We discuss: 1. the exegesis of Psalm 65, 2. what it is like for a songwriter to work with an academic theologian (and vice versa), and 3. g…
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Psalm 56 (Your Promise): Behind the Music w/ Paul Elliott, Emily Bartels and Kip Fox
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In this conversation with Paul Elliott, Emily Bartels and Kip Fox we explore the song "Psalm 56 (Your Promise)" based upon the text of Psalm 56 - a part of CWL's Psalm Library. We discuss: 1. the exegesis of Psalm 56, 2. what it is like for a songwriter to work with an academic theologian (and vice versa), 3. going "behind the music" of "Psalm 56 (…
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Prayer For An Imaginary World
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May we be free from our beliefs. Amen.Door The Liturgists Network
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Miles to Go and the Tank's on Empty: Why Ministers Need Ministry (Mueller)
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In this episode we share Rev. Dr. Steve Mueller's plenariy from the 2022 Worship Arts Leader Initiative (WALi) Summit: Miles to Go and the Tank's on Empty: Wny Ministers Need Ministry. SHOW NOTES Check-out the WALi Summit: WALi Summit
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Worship as an Operating Room (Hicks)
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In this episode we share one of Rev. Dr. Zac Hick's plenaries from the 2022 Worship Arts Leader Initiative (WALi) Summit: Worship as an Operating Room. SHOW NOTES Links to Zac's Recent work: Worship by Faith Alone: Thomas Cranmer, the Book of Common Prayer, and the Reformation of Liturgy Before We Gather: Devotions for Worship Leaders and Teams The…
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Worship as a Wormhole (Hicks)
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In this episode we share one of Rev. Dr. Zac Hick's plenaries from the 2022 Worship Arts Leader Initiative (WALi) Summit: Worship as a Wormhole. SHOW NOTES Links to Zac's Recent work: Worship by Faith Alone: Thomas Cranmer, the Book of Common Prayer, and the Reformation of Liturgy Before We Gather: Devotions for Worship Leaders and Teams The Worshi…
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Worship as a Gymnasium (Hicks)
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In this episode we share one of Rev. Dr. Zac Hick's plenaries from the 2022 Worship Arts Leader Initiative (WALi) Summit: Worship as Gymnasium. SHOW NOTES Links to Zac's Recent work: Worship by Faith Alone: Thomas Cranmer, the Book of Common Prayer, and the Reformation of Liturgy Before We Gather: Devotions for Worship Leaders and Teams The Worship…
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Psalm 1 (That Man): Behind the Music w/ Chad Bird, Kip Fox and Ben Lange
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In this conversation with Chad Bird, Ben Lange and Kip Fox we explore the song "Psalm 1 (That Man)" based upon the text of Psalm 1 - a part of CWL's Psalm Library. We discuss: 1. the exegesis of Psalm 1, 2. what it is like for a songwriter to work with an academic theologian (and vice versa), 3. going "behind the music" of "Psalm 1 (That Man)." SHO…
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In this episode, Michael talks about his discovery about how the most destructive patterns in his history have been rooted in a story of not being enough. This realization has made him refocus his mission to the point that he is restructuring all of his life, work, and business. Support this new work at www.patreon.com/michaelgungor…
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“What do I love when I love my God?” This is a famous question asked in St. Augustine’s “Confessions” that many people through the centuries have pondered and wrestled with. I too have wrestled with that question. And I can tell you it wasn’t just a theoretical or casual philosophical conversation for me. For me, it felt like the slow breaking of a…
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Nonviolent Forgiveness (I Forgive You)
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Can the idea of forgiveness actually be violent? In this episode, Michael talks about Gungor's new single "I Forgive You" and explores the idea of forgiveness looking through the different lenses presented in Marshall Rosenberg's "Nonviolent Communication".Door The Liturgists Network
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A History of Contemporary Praise and Worship Part 2 (Lim, Ruth)
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In this conversation with Dr. Swee Hong Lim and Rev. Dr. Lester Ruth we explore: 1. the history and impact of the "gap" movement within contemporary praise and worship (CPaW), 2. the influence of cultural considerations on CPaW, and 3. how modern Christian music is influenced by CPaW - as it appears in their new book A History of Contemporary Prais…
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Michael talks about the meaning and story of Gungor's new single "A Million I's"Door The Liturgists Network
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A History of Contemporary Praise and Worship Part 1 (Lim, Ruth)
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In this conversation with Dr. Swee Hong Lim and Rev. Dr. Lester Ruth we explore: 1. the history and impact of the "gift" movement within contemporary praise and worship (CPaW), 2. the influence of Reg Layzell and others on CPaW, and 3. how modern Christian music is influenced by CPaW - as it appears in their new book A History of Contemporary Prais…
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Psalm 42: The Longest Night (Fox, Saleska)
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In this conversation with Dr. Tim Saleska and Kip Fox we explore the song "The Longest Night" based upon Psalm 42 - a part of CWL's Psalm Library. We discuss: 1. the exegesis of Psalm 42, 2. what it is like for a songwriter to work with an academic theologian (and vice versa), 3. going "behind the music" of "The Longest Night".…
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What is truth? Can one be certain of anything?Door The Liturgists Network
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Worship and the Formative Power of the Arts (Taylor)
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In this stimulating conversation with Rev. Dr. W. David O. Taylor we explore his book Glimpses of the New Creation: Worship and the Formative Power of the Arts. - We discuss: 1. the role of the arts in worship, 2. the unique powers of different art forms, 3. arts' influence on theology and vice-versa, and 4. the ways our aesthetic choices open up a…
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Singing together is not only a potentially powerful spiritual technology and form of spiritual community, but it’s good for you! Studies have shown singing to be linked to lower stress, better moods, more of a sense of connection, and many more benefits. In this podcast, Michael Gungor announces that he will be leading some simple chants and musica…
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How do we make a difference in a world that feels so big and out of our control? How do we not feel hopeless in the face of huge problems like climate change, racism, and inequality? Michael offers a radical suggestion.Door The Liturgists Network
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Psalm 22:3 and God's Presence in Worship (Saleska)
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In this conversation with Rev. Dr. Timothy Saleska we dive deeply into the text of Psalm 22:3 - as a Lutherans trying to understand what it means for God to be "enthroned on the praises of Israel" (ESV). - We discuss: 1. the exegesis of Psalm 22, 2. the discrepancy between the Septuagint and Hebrew in regard to Psalm 22:3, and 3. what it can tell u…
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This is probably the most vulnerable podcast I've ever recorded. 2020 and 2021 have been some of the most challenging and beautiful years of my life. In this podcast, I share some of what's been happening with me as well as a song that I just released out of some of the shadow work I've been doing called "Look What I Can Do."…
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Book: Work and Worship (Kaemingk)
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In this conversation with Rev. Dr. Matthew Kaemingk we explore the book Work and Worship - Reconnecting Our Labor and Liturgy. We discuss: 1. What it looks like for workers to bring their whole selves to worship (trumpets, ashes, tears, petitions, and fruits), 2. How worship enlivens and contextualizes the workplace, 3. The Old Testament and Early …
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Psalm 130: Out of the Depths (Armstrong, Fox, McMahon)
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In this conversation with Dr. CJ Armstrong, Kip Fox, and Ariel McMahon we explore the song "Out of the Depths" based upon Psalm 130 - a part of CWL's Psalm Libary. We discuss: 1. the exegesis of Psalm 130, 2. what it is like for a songwriter to work with an academic theologian (and vice versa), 3. going "behind the music" of "Out of the Depths". If…
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Contemporary and Traditional Worship (Ruth)
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In this conversation with Rev. Dr. Lester Ruth we explore: 1. the sources of contemporary praise and worship (CPaW), 2. stereotypes in regard to traditional and CPaW styles, 3. the storytelling aspect of worship, and 4. the future of the relationship between CPaW and traditional worship. If shownotes do not appear, follow this link: https://theolog…
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Book: The Worship Architect (Cherry)
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In this conversation with Rev. Dr. Constance Cherry we explore her book The Worship Architect: 1. God's blueprint for worship, 2. the leader's role in designing services, 3. how worship designers engage culture, and 4. criteria for song selection. The Worship Architect Selecting Worship Songs Worship Like Jesus If shownotes do not appear, follow th…
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Worship Formation and the Catechumenate (Burreson, Schuler)
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In this conversation with Drs. Rhoda Schuler and Kent Burreson we explore their Calvin Institute of Worship funded research project involving worship and the catechumanate: 1. the implications of baptism for the local community of faith, 2. the integration of worship and discipleship, 3. the ways in which rituals form us, and 4. the four stages of …
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In the wake of a disturbing week (and year) (and four years) (and however long humans have been around), we are confronted with what feels to be such vivid displays of evil in the world. What is evil exactly? Is it real? Is it objective? What do we even mean when we talk about good and evil and how does it relate to who we are and how we live?…
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Baptism and the Old Testament (Sundquist)
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In this conversation with Rev. Bob Sundquist we explore the biblical narrative of baptism starting in a seemingly unlikely place: the Old Testament. Bob's Appearance on "Preacher's Studio" The Walk for All Mankind Episode If shownotes do not appear, follow this link: https://theologyinmotion.libsyn.com/baptism-and-the-old-testament-sundquist…
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Psalm 72: Long Live the King (Elliott, Fox)
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In this conversation with Dr. Paul Elliott and Kip Fox we explore the song "Long Live the King" based upon Psalm 72 - a part of CWL's Psalm Libary Initiative and: 1. the exegesis of Psalm 72, 2. what it is like for a songwriter to work with an academic theologian (and vice versa), 3. going "behind the music" with the songwriters of 'Long Live the K…
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Book: The Holy Spirit and Christian Experience (Zahl)
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In this conversation with Dr. Simeon Zahl we explore his latest book, The Holy Spirit and Christian Experience, and what it has to say about leading worship: 1. moving past the false dichotomy of theology and experience, 2. the distinction between law and gospel in worship, 3. the ways in which the Holy Spirit's work is connected to salvation and h…
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Theology of Beauty (Mattes)
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Co-hosted by Kip Fox, in this conversation with Rev. Dr. Mark Mattes we explore: 1. Mark's book Martin Luther's Theology of Beauty, 2. What makes worship "beautiful," 3. The distinction between theological and creation categories for beauty, and 4. The role of the artist in worship. Martin Luther's Theology of Beauty If shownotes do not appear, fol…
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Book: Worship and the World to Come (Packiam)
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In this conversation with Rev. Dr. Glenn Packiam we explore: 1. Glenn's latest book on christian hope in contemporary worship, 2. worship as faith formation, 3. how worship songs are encoded and experienced, 4. encouragements for pastors, songwriters and worship leaders, 5. theological ethnography and research methods. Worship and the World to Come…
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What is grace? Is it a magical power-up potion? A thought in the mind of God? A metaphor for fortunate moments in life? In this episode, Michael takes a deep dive into the idea of grace and offers his thoughts on why so many religious traditions have some sort of concept of it.Door The Liturgists Network
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Covid-19: Incarnation, Excarnation, and Worship (Oesch)
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In this conversation with Rev. Dr. Joel Oesch we explore: 1. the opportunities and challenges of online worship during the Covid-19 lockdown, 2. what we can learn for the future of the church, 3. the theological implications of incarnations and digital excarnation in worship. Joel's Book "More Than a Pretty Face." Ep. 1 on Surveys Ep 2 with Drs. Jo…
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In this episode, Michael talks about the core idea behind his new debut Weiwu album "Are You Perfect Yet?" Why are our normal ideas of perfection so absurd? Is it possible to feel totally at home within this moment without it being some static, idyllic non-reality?Door The Liturgists Network
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Worship's Dependance on Justification (Hicks, Kolb)
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In this conversation with Rev. Zac Hicks and Dr. Robert Kolb we explore: 1. Zac's recent doctoral work regarding Thomas Cramner's commitment to "faith alone" in the Book of Common Prayer. 2. How our view of justification defines our approach to worship as individuals and as a church. 3. The ways in which the rediscovery of justification by faith al…
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The Walk For All Mankind (Jones, Sundquist)
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In this conversation with Dr. Timothy Jones and Rev. Robert Sundquist we explore: 1. The Walk For All Mankind 2. Creativity in music and preaching 3. The power of collaboration
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Ya Wei Embodiment Meditation
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Michael leads a movement based body meditation using sounds from his upcoming single “Ya Wei”, which will be released in stores everywhere this Friday under the artist name Wuwei.Door The Liturgists Network
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After brushing his teeth on Easter Sunday Morning at midnight, Michael realizes he's never heard a non-dual Easter talk before. So here we go.Door The Liturgists Network
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Luther, the Lord's Supper, and Lessons from LSB (Herl)
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In this conversation with Dr. Joe Herl we explore: 1. comparing Luther and Rome on the Lord's Supper. 2. the power of music. 3. the impact of pietism on sacramental traditions. 3. lessons for worship from Lutheran Service Book (LSB). Links (Visit episode website for active links) Take a look at Joe's book on Amazon. Check out the LSB and it's Hymn …
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In this episode, Michael talks about his take on embodiment and how it relates to non-dual spirituality.Door The Liturgists Network
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2019 WALi Summit Recap 2 - Practical Skills
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On this recap episode from the 2019 WALi Summit listen to conversations with music director Corey Witt, drummer and educator Dave Owens, and acoustic guitarist Matt Preston. We also announce the release of our new website, new podcast network, and Registration for the 2020 WALi Summit in Irvine, CA, June 29-July 2!…
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2019 WALi Summit Recap 1
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On this recap episode from the 2019 WALi Summit listen to conversations with 2 attendees: Brandon Li, Paul Kasaty, and two presenters: Dr. Steve Mueller, and Dr. Michael Eschelbach. Consider joining us for the 2020 WALi Summit in Irvine, CA. Save June 28-July 3, and we will be back with more information regarding registration and exact dates. Thank…
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Michael jumps out of the hot tub at midnight and talks off-the-cuff about the discomfort he has been experiencing and why he sees it as grace.Door The Liturgists Network
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Holiness and Worship in Isaiah 6 (Lessing)
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In this conversation with Dr. Reed Lessing we explore: 1. Isaiah 6. 2. are you "holy?" How do you know? 3. what does it mean to worship a holy God? 4. what's the relationship between the heavenly and the earthly in worship? 5. what is the role of confession and absolution in worship? Shownotes (Visit episode website for active links) Take a look at…
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Book: The Worship Pastor (Hicks)
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In this conversation with Zac Hicks we explore: 1. Zac's book, "The Worship Pastor." 2. The history of music as priestcraft. 3. The distinction between law and gospel and its application to worship. 4. A resource to sing Psalm 119 in worship. Links: Zac Hicks Blessed Are All (Only in Jesus) - Lyric Video The Worship Pastor…
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Worship and Culture (Fluegge, Marriott)
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In this conversation with Dr. Glenn Fluegge and Dr. Jim Marriott we explore: 1. the cultural challenges facing the American church, especially its worship practices. 2. anecdotal stories from West Africa. 3. methods for navigating culture's influence on issues of worship. 4. a framework of understanding cultural engagement in 4 different dimensions…
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Hillary McBride joins Michael on the pod to discuss the Divine Feminine, integration, wholeness, and other wonderful Hillary bits of wisdom.Door The Liturgists Network
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What is non-duality? It essentially means "not two." Most of us view reality as though we are in here behind this skin, and the world is out there outside of the skin, but the mystics and contemporary physics tell us that reality is not so simple.Door The Liturgists Network
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