The Testing Show explores, pokes and prods anything and everything related to testing, with new episodes released every other Wednesday. Our hosts, Matt Heusser and Michael Larsen, will analyze tried and true methodologies and practices against on trend and emerging topics. We have a range of guest contributors from Qualitest as well as industry experts from around the world to share insights, knowledge and personal experience. So take minute to find out what others are saying in the testing ...
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On Career Conversations, NACUBO's Christine Simone sits down with higher education professionals to discuss their personal experiences, including successes and challenges of all kinds. They'll offer career advice and insights as well as nuggets of wisdom for business professionals new to higher education.
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Testing in the News: CrowdStrike and lessons for Testers
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CrowdStrike showed the world that problems can be found in unexpected places and can manifest in ways never intended with devastating results. While there is much pontificating about the root cause and how it happened, the point is "it happened". The popular joke of "Maybe they should have tested more" will invariably be said but what specifically …
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CI/CD is a topic that comes up a lot and many organizations profess to doing it. Are they really doing it effectively? That was the question we had in mind and to that end, Nikolay Advolodkin, staff developer advocate at Sauce Labs, joined us to talk about implementing automated software testing and improving testing practices, specifically around …
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Your Voice Matters: Adrian Petway
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In this enlightening episode of NACUBO's Career Conversations podcast, host Christine Simone sits down with Adrian Petway, associate vice president for budget and finance at Virginia State University in Petersburg, Virginia. Petway shares her passion for higher education and her journey from an accounts receivable specialist to her current leadersh…
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What's new in SAP testing?
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SAP testing has its own world in the testing ecosphere. It's a huge component (or set of components) and yet there may be many who know little about it and those who are familiar may only be scratching the surface with what is happening. Daniel Do Valle, Bill Hayden, and Kenneth Small join Matt and Michael to discuss all things SAP, including AI, t…
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Testing with Generative AI
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In this episode of The Testing Show, Matt and Michael welcome Alisha Mittal, Vice President at the Everest Group, and Vikul Gupta, CTO for Qualitest North America, about the role of generative AI in testing. We look at the current state of the market and the challenges enterprises face in adopting generative AI, and how generative AI can enhance te…
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Finding Your Path: Greg Argueta
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Greg Argueta, associate vice president for accounting and financial reporting at the University of Texas at Dallas, reflects on his accidental career journey from finance to higher education leadership. Despite originally thinking his move was temporary, the mission of higher education resonated with him over time. He shares how embracing new oppor…
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People Over Process: Orkun Toros
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Orkun Toros, associate vice president and chief business officer at The University of Texas at Dallas, shares valuable perspectives from his 18-year career in higher education finance. Starting as a graduate assistant, Toros worked his way up to executive leadership roles across multiple Texas institutions. He offers unique insights on improving pr…
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Maintaining a Human Touch: Amanda Malone
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Amanda Malone, director of budget and HR at Auburn University, shares insightful perspectives from her long career in higher education administration and accounting. With experience spanning over 15 years at Auburn, Amanda provides unique insight on leading change initiatives, supporting faculty, and maintaining work-life balance. Key Points: Belie…
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Cognitive Biases In Testing
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In this episode of The Testing Show, Michael Larsen interviews Señor Performo, Leandro Melendez, about cognitive biases and how they can affect testing. They discuss various biases such as confirmation bias, the halo effect, the sunk cost fallacy, and more. We like to think that we are immune to cognitive biases and logical fallacies because we tes…
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Ask, Learn, Grow: Charmel Maynard
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Charmel Maynard, 2023 recipient of NACUBO’s Rodney H. Adams Endowment Award, took a leap of faith to leave banking behind and follow a mentor into university investments. In this episode, Charmel shares how he transitioned to higher education and offers advice on leadership, learning, and team building. Key Points: Believes in taking smart career r…
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Follow Your Curiosity: Anne Santos
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Anne Santos, assistant dean for finance and administration at Rice University's Glasscock School of Continuing Studies, took an unconventional path to her role. With a background in hospitality and small business, Anne shares how she transitioned industries and offers advice on pursuing your passions. Key Points: Transitioned from hospitality/small…
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Be Comfortable Being Uncomfortable: Rick Wernoski
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NACUBO’s Christine Simone interviews Rick Wernoski, the associate vice chancellor for operational excellence at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Key Points: 30+ years in higher ed, started as budget analyst and moved up to leadership Passionate about transforming students' lives through academics and research Recent success creating…
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Leading with Love: Darrell Duncan
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Christine Simone, host of Career Conversations, interviews Darrell Duncan, vice president of finance at Lipscomb University in Nashville, Tennessee. Duncan shares insights from his 25+ year career in higher ed finance, including the importance of loving people, being visible, and embracing change. Key Takeaways: Lead with love – Duncan believes you…
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Fully Engage and Fail Forward: Marissa Pace
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In this episode, host Christine Simone interviews Marissa Pace, associate vice president of business and financial affairs at Spelman College. Pace shares her journey transitioning from corporate finance roles to higher education administration, driven by the mission to educate and serve students. Key Takeaways: Higher ed provides a sense of purpos…
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Developing and Testing Mobile Apps With Global Teams
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Making the move to mobile-first application development is creating interesting challenges for co-located global teams. To this end, Matthew Heusser and Michael Larsen invited Mav Turner, the CTO of Tricentis, and Smita Mishra, CEO of Fandoro, to discuss the importance of user experience, security, and the need for optimized and secure code for mob…
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Know Your Worth: Virginia Teachey
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In this episode, host Christine Simone interviews Virginia Teachey, associate vice president of budget and finance at Penn State University. Teachey shares how she accidentally fell into higher ed administration but progressed to leadership through mentorship, calculated risks, and self-investment. Key Takeaways: Started higher ed career accidental…
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Fostering Strong Teams and Seeking Challenges: Katie Walker
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In this episode, host Christine Simone interviews Katie Walker, Assistant Vice President of Financial Planning and Analysis at the University of Virginia, as well as the recipient of NACUBO’s Rising Star Award. Katie shares her unexpected path to higher education finance after studying history and anthropology as an undergrad. She also provides key…
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Lead with Empathy and Get to Yes: Angie Kraetsch
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How does a finance professional go from overseeing city budgets to leading a university's financial strategy? For Angie Kraetsch, associate vice president for financial services at Cal Poly, it was a winding path full of strong mentors, challenging transitions, and learning to "get to yes." In this episode of Career Conversations, Angie shares her …
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Kids, Careers, and How to Have Both: Melissa Hogarty
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Balancing parenthood and career growth isn't easy, but Melissa Hogarty is proof it can be done. As Assistant Vice President for Business in the Office of Finance and Administration at Stony Brook University in New York, Melissa has climbed the ladder in higher ed while raising two kids. She joins host Christine Simone on Career Conversations to sha…
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In this episode, Christine Simone interviews Rick Anderson, executive vice president of finance and operations at the Medical University of South Carolina. Rick has worked in higher education administration for 35-plus years at eight universities across six states. Not many business officers have been an athletic director at two different Division …
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Digital Transformation in Credit Unions
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In this episode of The Testing Show, Matthew Heusser and Michael Larsen welcome Dmitriy Melnik from BCU, Sri Aravamudan from Qualitest, and Mike Mokrzycki to talk about the importance of automation and cloud technology in reducing costs and improving scalability. They also highlight the differences between commercial banks and credit unions in term…
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Building Relationships and Communities: Beverly Walker
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In this episode, Christine Simone interviews Beverly Walker about her career journey in higher education. Beverly’s early time as a community college student has helped to inform her work and laid a foundation for her passion as a relationship builder who helps others find their purpose. Beverly’s current role allows her to work with students, empl…
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In a time where remote work is much more normal, there is a give and take between what work can be done simultaneously and in tandem with others versus what needs to be accomplished with focused efforts on an individual basis. Caitlin Klink joins Matthew Heusser for this episode to discuss the benefits and advantages of gearing towards more asynchr…
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The world of Utilities is undergoing a massive shift and has been doing so for the better part of a decade. With the advent of new renewable technologies and solar at home, individuals are not only power consumers but are often producers. To this end, Matthew Heusser and Michael Larsen welcome Wayne Tofteroo, Ronald Teteroo, and Scott Swanigan to d…
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Relationships, Authenticity, and Overcoming Obstacles: Shawn Norman
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We're excited to kick off this new podcast with our guest Shawn Norman, senior vice president for operations and finance, at Iowa State University. He shares insights from his career journey about the importance of relationships, collaboration, and mentorship. Building strong relationships and collaborating with others has been critical to Shawn's …
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NACUBO's new podcast Career Conversations, featuring insights and advice for business professionals new to higher education, starts airing biweekly on September 8th. Make sure to subscribe!Door NACUBO
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Live From Agile and Beyond
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Recently, our show host Matt Heusser headed out to Detroit to participate in the Agile and Beyond Conference being held there. In the process, he gathered together several contributors and testing experts including Holly Bielawa, Damian Synadinos, and Jeff MacBane to discuss areas such as Emotions in Testing, Product Coaching and why its difficult,…
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We've had a chance to focus on a great deal of speculation and interest in Artificial Intelligence models over the past several shows and for this episode, we asked Dan Geater to join Matthew Heusser and Michael Larsen to help get to the bottom of what AI is actually doing, why the spike in interest, and how testers can prepare and benefit from the…
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We can talk all day long about the importance of quality and testing but for many, this question will always come down to "How much is this going to cost?" Is this expense in quality and testing really worth it? To that end, Matthew Heusser and Michael Larsen invited Nabhanshu Bambi and Curtis Stuehrenberg to join us and discuss the true costs and …
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The Testing Show: Qualipride
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In celebration of June being Pride month, The Testing Show is doing a special program focusing on “Qualipride”, which is the Employee Resource Group (ERG) for LGBTQ+ identifying employees and their allies. To discuss this, our guest host Fiona Dawson joins Bleighton Eppard, Jessica Hose, Miguel Urdinola, Mafalda Chambel, and Elizabeth Argall to dis…
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Enhancing the Reality within Virtual Reality with Q Analysts
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In this episode, the metaverse and VR become more and more present and active. To that end it makes sense that there are companies working towards making those interactions as usable and seamless as possible. To that end, Ross Fernandes, Vikul Gupta and Prem Vishwanathan join Matthew Heusser and Michael Larsen to talk about ways that the virtual an…
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ChatGPT and Testing Jobs
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For today's show, Beth Marshall and Chris Kenst return to continue the ChatGPT conversation, and today's focus is on what effect, if any, Chat GPT may have on testing jobs. Is it a job killer as some fear, or is it yet another tool that will aid the smart and effective tester in being more effective?…
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Data Management and Analytics
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Software testing covers a lot of areas. Perhaps one of the most important, yet often overlooked, is the quality of the data that is both part of testing and the actual business. To that end Matthew Heusser and Michael Larsen welcome Naren Yalamanchilli, David Small, and Ken Wrem to talk about Datagaps, a company that is focused on making sure that …
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In the past several months, ChatGPT has been getting a lot of attention as a new cool tool that everyone is talking about. It can generate song lyrics on the fly. It can create code to solve problems and be compiled. Still, do we really understand what it is and what it can or can't do? To that end, Matthew Heusser and Michael Larsen welcome Ted Ar…
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The Testing Show: Assessing Quality Practices
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Agile Testing and some would say Modern Testing is built around understanding the processes and quality practices necessary to deliver a quality product to customers. How do we know if the practices our company or organization is using actually deliver what we hope them to. To help answer that, Selena Delesie and Janet Gregory join Matthew Heusser …
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The Testing Show: A Tester Walks Through Product Ownership
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Many individuals on the team have a vested interest in what the tester provides and reports on. One such important team member is the product owner, who can wear many hats in an organization and represent many different perspectives. In this episode, Holly Bielawa joins Matthew Heusser and Michael Larsen to talk about the world of the product owner…
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The Testing Show: The Deeper Things of Testing, Part 2
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In this second part of a two-part series, Matthew Heusser and Michael Larsen continue their conversation with Perze Ababa, Jon Bach, and Jen Crichlow to discuss the broader ideas of testing, specifically the areas of advocacy and addressing situations that are important to people who matter.
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The Testing Show: The Deeper Things of Testing, Part 1
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In this first of a two-part series, Matthew Heusser and Michael Larsen welcome Perze Ababa, Jon Bach, and Jen Crichlow to discuss the broader ideas of testing, and to ask, "Are there areas of software testing that deserve greater attention?
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The Testing Show: Curating Your Testing Career
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When it comes to Software Testing, there is no guarantee that what a tester is doing today will resemble what they are doing five or ten years from now, or if they will still be involved in software testing. Many people come and go, while others make it a point to be "lifers" in the software testing industry. Still, even for the so-called lifers, t…
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The Testing Show: Intelligent Testing
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For years, organizations have lured their time talent and resources into Continuous Integration, Delivery, and Deployment efforts, with an additional goal to apply these principals to Continuous Testing. Still, often these efforts can one wasteful and take much more time than is necessary. Vijet Honnavar and Vikul Gupta join Matthew Heusser to disc…
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The Testing Show: Program Management
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Software testing and program management share many of the same skills and what helps make a software tester effective can also be applied to the world of Program Management and how to be effective in that role. To that end, Jon Bach joins Matt Heusser to talk about his entry and involvement in the software testing world and his current involvement …
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The Testing Show: Testing AI and Machine Learning
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Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning have often taken on a near-mythical status in the software development pantheon as of late. Of course, ask ten people what AI and Machine Learning mean and you're likely to get at least twenty different answers. Understanding how and what to test surrounding it thus becomes daunting. To help demystify th…
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The Testing Show: "How to Reduce the Cost of Software Testing": A Decade Later
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Back in 2012, Matthew Heusser, Michael Larsen, and a number of other testers and test professionals came together to write a book devoted to the topic of "How to Reduce the Cost of Software Testing". To celebrate the ten year anniversary of that experience, Matt and Michael welcome fellow author Petteri Lyytinen to share their experiences writing t…
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The Testing Show: Teaching Software Engineering
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For many years, Computer Science was the only way, educationally speaking, to learn about methodologies related to programming software and building large scale applications. Software Engineering grew out of the need to have a more streamlined methodology, and our guest Robert Sabourin of McGill University in Montreal, Quebec, Canada has been at th…
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The Testing Show: Infrastructure Assurance and Cloud Conversions
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Applications are moving rapidly from company datacenters to the Cloud. With these changes come new challenges with building applications and testing them effectively. Sriram Sitaraman and Lamech Carnelian join Matthew Heusser and Michael Larsen to talk about "Infrastructure Assurance" and ways to get the most out of the methodologies around putting…
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The Testing Show: Would Heu-Risk It? What’s In The Cards For You?
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This episode goes in some unusual but interesting directions. Lena Wiberg joins Matthew Heusser and Michael Larsen to talk about Lana's book and card deck, "Would Heu-Risk It?" which is all about heuristics and ways of looking at problems in a different light. Also, Lena talks about her keynote at Agile Testing Day 2022 titled "Living Fearlessly - …
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The Testing Show: Data Quality
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In our ever-changing world of applications, processes, and systems, we spend a lot of time talking specifically about improving those applications and how they are built. However, how many of us have taken a step back and asked about the actual data that we deal with? The quality of our data has everything to do with the ability of applications to …
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The Testing Show: The Changing World of Cyber Security
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Once upon a time, and in many ways still, there was the sense that Cyber Security was the realm of elite professionals who were trained and experts in all things security related. They were special unicorns who far outstripped mere mortals. Of course, this is not true but it is a perception that persists. Today, Uri Bar-El joins Matthew Heusser and…
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The Testing Show: Qualipride
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In celebration of June being Pride month, The Testing Show is doing a special program focusing on "Qualipride", which is the Employee Resource Group (ERG) for LGBTQ+ identifying employees and their allies. To discuss this, guest host Fiona Dawson joins James Barret, Audry, Maulana, Brandon McGuire, Chandra Nair, and Lacy Norris to discuss how Quali…
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The Testing Show: Accessibility For Everything
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In many cases Accessibility and Accessibility Testing are done as late in the game processes and done to make sure that a level of compliance is met for those who most need that accommodation. This misses out on the fact that many more people could benefit from having Accessibility features integrated into their products and that the benefits of ac…
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