No Turning Back is a podcast by retired Army Four-Star General Stan McChrystal and former Navy SEAL Chris Fussell. In this series, they explore the future of leadership and teams with the world's most consequential leaders. From CEOs to political leaders to deep thinkers, Stan and Chris will bring you advice from the brightest minds about how to tackle the most pressing organizational and institutional challenges we face.
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No Turning Back: Final Episode
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No Turning Back first began in April of 2020, originating as a video series where Stan McChrystal and Chris Fussell would speak with some of the world’s most consequential leaders about leadership and resilience through such unprecedented times. This video series served as a way to bring people together for a conversation and gave viewers a slight …
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Bill McDermott on Prioritizing Innovation to Fuel Growth
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This week, we are featuring an episode on leadership with a conversation between Stan, Chris, and Bill McDermott, the Chief Executive Officer of ServiceNow, a role he assumed in November of 2019. Bill has led innovation at the company as it has been at the forefront of digital transformation and shares his insights on company culture, leadership, a…
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Linda Rendle on Active Leadership through Disruption
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This week, we have a very special episode on leadership with a conversation Stan and Chris had with Linda Rendle. Linda is chief executive officer at The Clorox Company, a position she assumed in September 2020. They discuss agile leadership, innovation, and the importance of preparing for an unpredictable future. Linda shares lessons learned from …
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Reflections: Demystifying DEI Miniseries
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This week, Stan and Chris conclude the demystifying DEI mini-series of No Turning Back, looking back on the four episodes, and looking ahead to how we can all be more intentional in our commitment to making progress in diversity, equity and inclusion. We hope you’ve enjoyed listening to different perspectives of DEI, the lessons learned, and the in…
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Elena Kvochko on Linking Trust and DEI
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This week, we continue our Demystifying DEI mini-series with a conversation Stan had with Elena Kvochko, the first Chief Trust Officer at SAP, a role she began at the height of the pandemic. In this role, Elena leads a team of security architects and focuses on building trust through a culture of accountability and openness. In this fascinating dis…
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Bracken Darrell on Personal and Professional Growth
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This week, we continue our demystifying DEI mini-series with a conversation Stan had with Bracken Darrell, CEO of Logitech in this fascinating discussion, Stan examines Bracken's personal journey of diversity, equity, and inclusion, and why it's not enough to not be racist. We must be anti-racist. They explore why being fair and getting it right is…
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Susan O'Malley on Developing Diverse Teams
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This week, we continue our Demystifying DEI miniseries with the conversation Stan and Chris had with Susan O'Malley. Susan serves as the Head of Strategy for Personalized Medicine at Genentech. She brings together creative leadership with decision-making and long-term future thinking in this role. Prior, she spent almost a decade at the design and …
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Ebbie Parsons on Driving Intentional DE&I Change
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Over the next several weeks, Stan and Chris will embark on a new miniseries called Demystifying DEI, where we will look at how organizations are approaching the important work of diversity, equity, and inclusion. In this series, we're excited to hear how industry leaders are authentically incorporating diversity, equity, and inclusion principles in…
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Reflections: Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fast
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This week Stan and Chris conclude the No Turning Back miniseries. They reflect on the four past episodes, exploring insights from their guests on how they implemented Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fast in their leadership. Thank you for joining us for this miniseries. We hope these episodes have prompted you to think about how you can lead during unpre…
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Jake Wood on Intentionality
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As a part of the “Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fast” series of No Turning Back, Stan and Chris were eager to speak with Jake Wood, the founder and CEO of Groundswell. Jake's career began in the military – he was a Marine and upon leaving the military founded Team Rubicon, an organization that position veterans to help in disaster response. Most recent…
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Meg Gentle on the Future of Energy
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As a part of the “Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fast” series of No Turning Back, Stan and Chris were excited to speak with Meg Gentle, the Executive Director of HIF USA. Meg has had an impressive 25-year career in the energy industry. A former oil & gas executive, she recently left the business to focus on decarbonization, with goals to return our plan…
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Bruce Broussard on the Speed of Healthcare Systems
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We're officially in the "Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fast" series, with a special guest: Bruce Broussard, the CEO of Humana. As organizations jump into 2022, they are eager to start the year with energy and vigor and leave behind the challenges of the past two years. We know all organizations – especially ones in healthcare, like Humana – must be mor…
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Intentional Leadership with Carl Liebert
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Over the next several weeks, Stan and Chris will be embarking on a new mini-series, called “Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fast.” The title comes from a concept in special operations, where operators move more methodically and slowly to make fewer mistakes. In this series, we’re curious to hear how leaders are tackling unpredictability, being intentiona…
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Maggie Hsu on the Future of Cities, Work, and Blockchain
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As we conclude this “Future Focused” series that looks to the future of work and our world at large, we were really interested in exploring how cities and businesses will grow together. Meet Maggie Hsu, the former Chief of Staff to the late CEO of Zappos, Tony Hsieh, who was heavily involved in the Downtown Project. The Downtown Project aimed to bu…
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Future of Technology in the Military with Major General Heather Pringle
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How should we think about the future of technology in the military? How will warfighters leverage technology, artificial intelligence, and new innovations to best react to the conflicts that await us? These are the sorts of questions on Major General Heather Pringle's mind, as the Commander of the Air Force Research Laboratory. Major General Pringl…
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The Future of Work with Philip Ross
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What will "work" look like in 2022, and the years beyond it? Meet Philip Ross, a futurist who specializes on how technology influences how we live, work, shop, and socialize. He's our guest today on No Turning Back in the next episode of the "Future Focused" series. He is the founder of UnGroup and Cordless Group, and aims to help organizations nav…
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The Future According to Bob Johansen
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Welcome to the Future Focused series of No Turning Back. As we end 2021 and take the step into 2022, we will be having future-focused conversations: largely talking about the future of work, but also the human-AI experience, technological innovation in the military, drafting out and discussing what our world will look like in the years to come. Bob…
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Reflections on the Risk Mini-Series
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This week, Stan and Chris conclude the Risk mini-series of No Turning Back, looking back on the six episodes, and looking ahead to the greatest risks facing our nation and world. Our podcast, after all, is called No Turning Back, and Stan and Chris will leave you today with clear insights into the challenges that lay ahead. Our next mini-series, co…
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Financial Risk with John Chambers
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This week, we continue our risk mini-series on No Turning Back, with a very special, distinguished guest: John Chambers, the former chairman of S&P’s sovereign rating committee. We couldn’t think of a better guest to discuss the nuances of financial risk. John spent 24 years at Standard & Poor’s, or S&P, and is known most for downgrading the US cre…
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Business Risk with Bob Wood
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This week, Stan and Chris speak to Bob Wood, the former Chairman and CEO of Chemtura Corporation. Bob has an impressive career navigating business risk: before Chemtura, Bob was an executive at Dow Chemical, spending over two decades there and climbing the ranks in the business. He has been a member of a variety of impressive boards, including the …
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Exclusive Listen to Risk: A User's Guide
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Today, on the very day of the book launch, we’re excited to share this sneak peek of content with you. In this episode, you’ll be hearing three clips of Stan’s own voice as he reads excerpts from Risk: A User’s Guide, to give you a taste of the other pages to follow. Order your copy to Risk: A User's Guide, here: https://www.mcchrystalgroup.com/lib…
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Risk with Garry Kasparov
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This week, Stan and Chris speak to chess grandmaster, Garry Kasparov, about risk: in the game of chess, and more broadly, in society. Garry is well-known as a World Chess Champion who famously dueled against IBM’s supercomputer, Deep Blue. In recent years, Garry has been translating and expanding his focus to the Renew Democracy Initiative, which a…
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The Game of Risk: Poker with Annie Duke
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Poker is a game of risk. The chances you take, the bets you make, determine the loss, or the reward. It’s a heated calculus of quick decision-making, gut instinct, and strategy. This week, on the second episode of the Risk mini-series on No Turning Back, Stan and Chris speak to Annie Duke, a former professional poker player whose titles include the…
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Stan McChrystal and Chris Fussell on the Risk Of Special Operations
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Stan McChrystal has spent a lifetime attempting to mitigate risk: importantly, in the military, and critically now in the corporate sector. He concluded that we don’t handle risk very well – at both the individual and organizational level. This reality had been percolating at the back of his mind for quite some time. The events of the last few year…
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Jeff Sonnenfeld on Bringing Leaders Together
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Stan and Chris know the power of the Operations & Intelligence or O&I brief. As a part of Stan's efforts to transform Joint Special Operations Command, he leaned on Operations & Intelligence brief, or the O&I. It was a tremendously powerful tool that connected countries around the globe and drove the "battle rhythm" of the counterterrorist force. T…
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50 Episodes of No Turning Back
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No Turning Back has reached an important milestone: 50 episodes. In honor of this, we wanted to release some of the most thought-provoking moments from our guests. We’ve noticed some shared themes over these 50 episodes: leading through COVID-19, building strong, trusting networks, the importance of diversity and inclusion, the dangers and benefits…
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Norman Wright on Healthcare Reform, Uncomfortable Conversations, and Burning Platforms
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Meet Norman Wright, Executive Vice President and Chief Customer Experience Officer at UnitedHealth Group. Norman, a long-time friend of McChrystal Group, brings a calm, analytical mind and 34 years of experience to the conversation with Stan and Chris. Norman speaks to the protests following George Floyd's murder, shares what it was like to fight a…
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Michael Dowling on Rule Breaking, Innovation, and Leading through COVID-19
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Meet Michael Dowling, the President and CEO of Northwell Health, the biggest healthcare provider in the State of New York. Their hospitals, like many around the country, battled against COVID-19, and are now responding to the variants spreading rapidly across the country. Michael has fascinating leadership observations from COVID-19 that translate …
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Brad Smith on Intuit and Giving Back to the Community
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Meet Brad Smith, former CEO of Intuit and its current Executive Chairman of its Board of Directors. Stan and Chris are fascinated by how Brad transformed Intuit, diving into leadership lessons learned while Brad was at the helm for 11 years. A West Virginia native, Brad Smith has most recently founded the Wing 2 Wing Foundation, aiming to provide e…
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Lidia Fonseca on Pfizer, Vaccines, and the Future of Healthcare
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Meet Lidia Fonseca, an executive who sits at the center of both the technology and the pharmaceutical industries. Lidia is the Executive Vice President, Chief Digital and Technology Officer at Pfizer and is responsible for the company's technology, data, and digital efforts. Her team was critical in developing the Pfizer vaccine - one that has give…
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James Kerr on Rugby, Storytelling and Humility
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What can a New Zealand rugby team teach you about leadership? This week, Stan and Chris speak to James Kerr to discover the answer to that question. James Kerr, a bestselling author, speaker, and business consultant, brings an inquisitive mind and practical observations to the conversation. Stan and Chris explore some of the lessons learned from Ja…
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Jake Harriman on building a More Perfect Union
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This week, Stan and Chris speak with Jake Harriman, the Founder and CEO of More Perfect Union and former Infantry and Force Recon Platoon Commander in the Marine Corps. Jake has lived a life in service to others, focusing on international poverty, as well as the dangers of political extremism in the United States. After spending his childhood in We…
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Stan and Chris on Today's Pressing Leadership Questions
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This week, Stan and Chris take some listener questions - and speak to some of the burning topics on their minds. As we transition out of the COVID-19 pandemic and look to the future of leadership, they took 40 minutes to dive into what they, and our listeners, are thinking about. They reflect on helpful lessons from communicating in a remote enviro…
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Ruba Borno: A Conversation with a "Make it Happen" Executive
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This week, Stan and Chris speak to Ruba Borno, Senior Vice President and General Manager in Cisco's Customer Experience organization. Stan first met Ruba when she was Chief of Staff to the CEO at Cisco and has been impressed at how Ruba has been a “make it happen” executive throughout the years. Ruba has her Ph.D. in Electrical Engineering and spen…
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Lisa Gevelber on Google, Technology Equality, and Societal Change
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This week, Stan and Chris speak to Lisa Gevelber, the Chief Marketing Officer, Americas Region at Google, and Vice President of Grow with Google. Lisa has had a fascinating career. A student of Psychology, Lisa started her career at Proctor and Gamble, working at a variety of companies (some start-ups) before moving to Google in 2010. Stan and Chri…
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Gautam Mukunda: A Conversation with a Leadership Expert
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This week, Stan and Chris speak to Gautam Mukunda. Gautam is an expert in leadership who says he aims to have the world's most confusing resume. Gautam is a Jeopardy champion, former consultant, and a Research Fellow at Harvard Kennedy's Center for Public Leadership. He has degrees from Harvard, Dartmouth, and MIT and is the host of Nasdaq's "World…
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Jeevan Kalanithi and Michael Fleischman On Start-up Leadership
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This week, Stan and Chris speak with Jeevan Kalanithi and Michael Fleischman of OpenSpace. Jeevan is the CEO, and Michael is the Co-founder and Chief Scientist of OpenSpace, which provides cutting-edge technology for capturing and mapping job sites. Jeevan and Michael speak about building a narrative around new technology, how OpenSpace could have …
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Jamil Farshchi on Risk and Responsibility
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In light of the recent Colonial Pipeline cyberattack, Stan and Chris revisit a conversation they had with Jamil Farshchi, the Chief Information Security Officer at Equifax. Jamil has had a distinguished career in information security transformation: he was the first-ever Chief Information Security Officer at Time Warner and worked with both Home De…
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Henrik Andersen on leading environment change
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This week, Stan and Chris sat down with Henrik Andersen, President and CEO of Vestas Wind Systems. Henrik is leading in an industry that is driving large-scale, global change – shifting how people think, one wind turbine at a time. Henrik shares the importance of letting your leadership grow, trusting your team even in complex crises, in a world in…
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Patty Horoho: Lessons from the former Army Surgeon General
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This week, Stan and Chris speak with Lt. Gen. (Ret.) Patty Horoho, former Army Surgeon General and 23rd Chief of the Army Nurse Corps. Patty is the current CEO of OptumServe. Patty shares insights from her military career, her strategic viewpoint on healthcare, and what it was like to trailblaze as the first female and nurse Surgeon General.…
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Christiana Riley on leading Deutsche Bank USA
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This week, Stan and Chris sit down with Christiana Riley, CEO of Deutsche Bank USA Corporation. After a decades-long career in Germany, Christiana moved to NYC to lead the bank's American branch six months before the COVID-19 pandemic began. Christiana shares the power of communication in an essential global bank, why trust is an outcome and not an…
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Lisa Jaster on "not letting the quit in"
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This week, Stan and Chris sat down with Lisa Jaster, a US Army Reserve Lieutenant Colonel and Engineer, and one of the first three women to graduate Ranger School. While most candidates go to Ranger School in their 20s, Lisa was 37 when she graduated from the Army's grueling 62-day training course. Lisa reflects on the role of women in special oper…
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Jim Hackett on high ego and high empathy
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This week, Stan and Chris sit down with Jim Hackett, former CEO and President of Ford Motor Company. Jim is no stranger to the CEO role: at 39 years old, Jim was the youngest CEO of Steelcase. He brings decades of expertise to the conversation, discussing why leadership is the intersection of high empathy and high ego, how to build precision at sca…
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Paul Fipps on brand, ambition, and digital transformation
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This week, Stan and Chris sat down with Paul Fipps, former Chief Experience Officer at Under Armour and current Senior Vice President of Customer and Partner Excellence at ServiceNow. A former infantry soldier in the 82nd Airborne Division, Paul reflects how the Army shaped his leadership style. Paul discusses taking on “non-obvious roles” in compa…
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Tristan Harris on technology's potential and power
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This week, Stan and Chris speak with Tristan Harris, the Co-Founder & President of the Center for Humane Technology, the primary subject of the Netflix documentary, “The Social Dilemma,” and former Design Ethicist for Google. He brings years of experience in the technology sector to the conversation, focusing on social media's pervasive influence o…
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Atul Gawande on pandemic and healthcare leadership
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This week, Dr. Atul Gawande, surgeon, author, and public health researcher, dives into the importance of leadership in the healthcare space. He was a member of President Biden’s COVID-19 transition advisory team and shares his unique perspective on the world’s response to the pandemic. An expert in his field, Dr. Gawande, discusses the similarities…
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Sam Kennedy on leading the Boston Red Sox
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Sam Kennedy, President and CEO of the Boston Red Sox, says he works in the “toy of department of life,” providing joy, distraction, and excitement for fans nationwide. Stan McChrystal and Chris Fussell sat with Sam at the beginning of the Red Sox’s Spring Training and discussed Sam’s three priorities for the Red Sox: winning games, preserving Fenwa…
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Tyson Voelkel on investing in a brighter future
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This week, Stan McChrystal and Chris Fussell sat down with Tyson Voelkel, the President of the Texas A&M Foundation. The Texas A&M Foundation aims to build a brighter future for Texas A&M University as its primary academic fundraising institution. Most recently, the Foundation raised over $4.25 billion in Texas’s largest higher education campaign -…
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Keith Krach on building networks of trust
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Stan McChrystal once told Keith Krach that he was one of the few leaders he’s known in business that we could put a uniform on tomorrow and be effective as a general officer in the United States Army. This week, Stan and Chris Fussell sit down with Keith Krach, the former Chairman, CEO, & President of DocuSign, the former Chairman and CEO of Ariba,…
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Rachel Maddow on the role of political media - then and now
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Every night at 9 p.m. EST, Rachel Maddow sits down to discuss the latest in American politics on her award-winning "The Rachel Maddow Show." This week, Stan and Chris explore Maddow's conclusions about leadership after her 13 years of examining the political space - discussing whether Americans overweigh the importance of leadership, as well as the…
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