In this podcast, Gareth Tennant, a former Royal Marines Officer, and Chris Kitchener, a veteran of the software development world, explore ideas and concepts around teams and teamwork, leaders and leadership, and all things in between. It’s a discussion between a former military commander and a business manager, comparing and contrasting their experiences as they attempt to work out what makes teams, leaders, and businesses tick.
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Episode 87 - Influencers 14 - Margaret Thatcher
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In this episode of the "Battling with Business" podcast, hosts Chris and Gareth take a deep dive into the life, leadership, and legacy of one of the most prominent and controversial British Prime Ministers, Margaret Thatcher. Known as the "Iron Lady," Thatcher’s policies and leadership style had a profound impact on British politics, society, and t…
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Episode 86 - Leadership and stress management
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In this episode of the Battling with Business podcast, hosts Chris and Gareth delve into the pervasive issue of workplace stress, a topic that is increasingly pertinent in today's fast-paced and demanding work environments. They begin by challenging the common perception that stress is always harmful, exploring whether there are circumstances where…
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Episode 85 - Building Effective Teams - Forming, Storming, Norming and Performing
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In this episode of "Battling with Business," hosts Chris and Gareth dive deep into Bruce Tuckman's widely recognized team development model, focusing on his five-stage group formation theory. They discuss the Forming, Storming, Norming, Performing, and Adjourning stages, providing real-world examples and actionable insights from their extensive bac…
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Episode 84 - Rerelease of Personal Narratives; what they are and why you need to own yours
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Chris introduces the concept of a 'personal narrative', the individual perspectives people have that when aligned create good working relationships. But when misunderstood, can create conflict, confusion, and inefficient communication. Gareth and Chris discuss the role of empathy, communication, and empowerment in developing great working relations…
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Episode 83 - Rerelease of Influencers #2 Leonard Cheshire
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There are few people who achieve greatness and leave a lasting impression on the world after they die. To do it twice in two completely unrelated fields is truly remarkable. Leonard Cheshire, a decorated pilot, commander, philanthropist, and charity worker. In the second of our Influencers series, we try to unpack the extraordinary life of Leonard …
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Episode 82 - Rerelease of Why people do bad things with Waitman Beorn
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In this episode, we are privileged to be joined by Dr. Waitman Wade Beorn. He is an author and historian and one of the preeminent academic experts on the Holocaust and the events that led up to the most heinous and barbaric episodes in human history. He is also a previous Tank Commander from the US Cavalry and as such has a tactical appreciation o…
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Episode 81 - Rerelease of How to be a fighter Pilot with Paul Tremelling
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In this rerelease of episode 64 of "Battling with Business," hosts Chris and Gareth dive into the exhilarating world of fast jets with special guest Paul Tremelling, a former Royal Navy Harrier and F18A Super Hornet Pilot and author of the acclaimed book 'How to be a Fighter Pilot.' The conversation delves deep into the intricate balance between le…
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Episode 80 - Exploring Colditz Castle, Leadership and Culture in unusual circumstances
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In this episode of "Battling with Business," hosts Chris and Gareth delve into the intriguing history of Colditz Castle. Known for its role during World War II, Colditz Castle was used by the Germans as a high-security prisoner-of-war camp. The castle's reputation as an escape-proof fortress and the daring escape attempts by Allied prisoners are ce…
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Episode 79 - General Election Special - Political Leadership
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In this episode of "Battling with Business," Chris and Gareth delve into the realm of political leadership, particularly in the wake of last week's general election. They provide a comprehensive analysis of the leadership styles and approaches of key political figures: Labour's Sir Keir Starmer, Conservative's Rishi Sunak, Reform UK's Nigel Farage,…
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Episode 78 - Operation Crossbow, V2 rockets and, a road trip to Peenemunde
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In this latest episode of "Battling with Business," Chris and Gareth take listeners on the road as they visit Peenemünde in northern Germany. The episode captures their reflections from various locations, including the car on the autobahn, the grounds of the Peenemünde site, and inside some of its buildings. Chris and Gareth delve into the dark his…
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Episode 77 - Influencers #13 - Mahatma Gandhi
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In the latest episode of the "Battling with Business" podcast, Chris and Gareth delve into the life and legacy of Mahatma Gandhi as part of their Influencers series. They aim to understand what made Gandhi such a significant leader and draw contemporary lessons from his approach. Throughout the episode, Chris and Gareth examine how Gandhi’s deep-se…
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Episode 76 - Leadership philosophies, what are they and why might you need one.
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In this episode of 'Battling with Business,' hosts Chris and Gareth delve into the topic of leadership philosophies. They begin by defining what a leadership philosophy is and discussing the importance of creating one. The conversation then turns to their individual philosophies. Chris outlines a series of guiding principles that form his philosoph…
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Episode 75 - Toxic Leadership and the dark triad
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In this episode of 'Battling with Business,' hosts Chris and Gareth delve into the complex and impactful topic of toxic leadership. They start by defining what constitutes toxic leadership, emphasising behaviours and traits that undermine, exploit, and harm organisations and individuals. The discussion then shifts to the "dark triad" of personality…
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Episode 74 - Coalitions & Partnerships
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In this episode of "Battling with Business," Chris and Gareth delve into the concepts of coalitions and partnerships, starting with clear definitions and distinctions between the two. They explore the formation of these alliances, examining whether they arise from deliberate choices or situational necessities. The hosts then navigate the complexiti…
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Episode 73 - Influencers #12 - Admiral Jackie Fisher
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In this Influencers episode of "Battling with Business," Chris and Gareth delve into the fascinating life and lasting effect of Admiral John 'Jackie' Fisher on the Royal Navy, The United Kingdom, and the World. They explore how Fisher's leadership, despite its toxic traits, led to significant positive outcomes. This raises interesting questions abo…
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Episode 72 - Harnessing emergence Part 2
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Podcast Episode Summary: Emergence in Strategy and Innovation (Part 2) In this second episode of our two-part series on the concept of emergence, Chris and Gareth delve into how emergence impacts strategy and innovation. The episode begins with a recap of our previous discussion, setting the stage for a deeper exploration of the need for a clear pu…
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Episode 71 - Harnessing the power of emergence
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"Often in complexity, there isn't a right answer. You are not trying to find efficiency, you're trying to find effectiveness!" In this week's episode, Chris and Gareth delve into the concept of emergence and its profound impact on strategy and innovation. The discussion begins with trying to find a definition of emergence, explaining how complex sy…
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Episode 8 - Adaptive Teams and Pirates
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In this episode, Chris interviews Gareth about his time conducting counter-piracy operations and uses this as a way of exploring what makes teams adaptable when faced with uncertainty and when under pressure.Door Battling With Business
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Episode 70 - The problem with miltary procurement
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In this week's podcast episode, hosts Chris and Gareth delve into the intricacies of military procurement, particularly focusing on why the British military faces significant challenges in this area compared to managing complex operations overseas. Gareth sheds light on the complexities of large procurement programmes, which involve managing risks,…
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Episode 69 - Influencers #11 - Brigadier Billy Mitchell
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In this episode of "Battling with Business," Chris and Gareth explore Brigadier Billy Mitchell, a controversial figure in the history of US airpower and naval warfare. As part of their "Influencer episodes" series, they analyse Mitchell's pioneering yet often contentious approach to military innovation and how his vision for airpower shaped modern …
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Episode 68 - Political Leadership and innovation with Rob Murray
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In this week's episode, Chris and Gareth sit down with Rob Murray, a seasoned expert in intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance, who has held significant roles including former head of innovation for NATO, lecturer at Johns Hopkins University, and now Chief Innovation Officer at Saab, as well as a non-residential member of the Atlantic Counc…
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Episode 67 - Strategy part II - Why strategy goes wrong!
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In this week's instalment of "Battling with Business," hosts Chris and Gareth delve deep into the intricate world of strategy, continuing their two-part series with an insightful exploration of why strategies often veer off course. Through candid discussion, they dissect six common pitfalls that plague strategic planning, shedding light on the unde…
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Episode 66 - Getting strategy right- Strategy Part I - Getting strategy right ?
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In this week's installment of 'Battling with Business,' Chris and Gareth embark on a journey through the labyrinth of strategic planning in the first of two episodes all about Strategy right. They kick off by dissecting the fundamental disparity between strategy and tactics, laying the groundwork for understanding the strategic landscape. Diving de…
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Episode 65 - Influencers #10 - Taylor Swift
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In the latest episode of "Battling with Business," hosts Chris and Gareth delve into the captivating world of Taylor Swift, dissecting her immense influence and the multifaceted power she commands across various spheres. Taylor Swift, a global icon, serves as a case study for understanding contemporary leadership, followership, management, and cult…
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Episode 64 - How to be a fighter pilot with Paul Tremeling
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In episode 64 of "Battling with Business," hosts Chris and Gareth dive into the exhilarating world of fast jets with special guest Paul Tremelling, a former Royal Navy Harrier and F18A Super Hornet Pilot and author of the acclaimed book 'How to be a Fighter Pilot.' The conversation delves deep into the intricate balance between leadership, risk man…
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Episode 63 - The Value of sales and sales training with Tom Mallens
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Whilst Chris was away on a business trip, Gareth sits down with Tom Mallens, a seasoned Sales Training Director at Sandler, a global Sales and management training company, to delve into the intricacies of sales, training, and organisational success. The conversation begins with an exploration of the fundamental role that sales play within any organ…
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Episode 62 - The five dysfunctions of management books
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In this latest episode, Chris and Gareth build on their recent exploration of the book 5 Dysfunctions of a team and delve into the world of management books more generally. They navigate the dual nature of these books, highlighting their invaluable insights while cautioning against the trap of blind adherence. Chris and Gareth astutely observe how …
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Episode 61 - Influencers #9 - Carl von Clausewitz
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In this insightful podcast episode, Chris and Gareth embark on a journey through the seminal work "On War" by Carl von Clausewitz. Gareth, having delved deep into the book, guides Chris and listeners through its profound insights and enduring relevance. The episode commences with Gareth shedding light on the origins of the book and delving into Cla…
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Bonus Episode #3 - TBD Tech Conference Speech - Why I'm a Cynical Optimist
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This Bonus Episode is a speech Gareth recently gave at the wonderful tech conference, Technolog, Behaviour, Data (TBD). The theme of this year's conference was 'Facias' and so Gareth decided to talk about hiding behind the faceless sacity of social media. The speech was called 'Why I'm a Cynical Optimist.'…
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Episode 60 - We've read 'The Five Dysfunctions of a Team' so you don't have to
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In this week's episode, Chris discusses a book that he has just re-read (for the fifth time!) in preparation for his team off-site meeting. The book is The Five Dysfunctions of a Team by Patrick Lencioni. This is one of those management books that should be on all aspiring leaders' and managers' bookshelves. Chris explains the concept of this parab…
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Episode 59 - Small team Leadership with Waitman Beorn Part II
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In the second part of our discussion with Waitman Wade Beorn, a veteran of the first squadron of the 10th United States Cavalry Regiment, we learn more about his time as an M1 Abrahams commander and we reflect further on the skills required to successfully lead small teams. We explore with Waitman how he and the other members of the team adjusted t…
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Episode 58 - Leadership lessons from a tank commander with Waitman Beorn
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In this week’s episode we welcome back Waitman Wade Beorn, this time not wearing a historian’s hat, but instead a very natty stetson reflecting his time as a US Army Cavalry officer, commanding an M1 Abraham main battle tank. We explore with him the complexities of commanding a small team whilst also having to manage a much broader and fast-paced b…
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Episode 57 - Influencers #7 - Elon Musk
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In the latest of our Influencers episodes, Chris and Gareth discuss one of the most influential people of our time, Elon Musk. A hugely successful serial entrepreneur who has shifted the whole world’s view on many of the most prescient issues. From normalising the adoption of electric cars, to greatly reducing the cost of space travel by orders of …
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Episode 56 - A Deep Dive into Measuring Performance and Effect
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In this thought-provoking episode of the innovative business podcast, Battling with Business, former Royal Marines Officer, Gareth Tennant, and Product Manager, Chris Kitchener, stimulate a rich discussion about the critical aspect of measuring success. The episode starts by exploring the triad of effect, performance, and activity, highlighting the…
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Episode 55 - How do you learn to lead? Insights from the Centre for Army Leadership Centre with Lt Col Dean Canham OBE
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The British Army requires the highest standards of leadership. It is a core function of the institution and a fundamental component of fighting power. Their leadership philosophy is values-based, motivated not by self-interest but in the service of others. To find out more Gareth and Chris head to the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst to explore the…
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Episode 54 - Dilemmas and moral hazard
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After an intriguing question posed by Chris's son, Gareth and Chris decide to explore the concept of dilemmas. Throughout the episode, they seek to answer questions such as; What is a dilemma and can they be positive? What's the difference between a dilemma and an integrity test? Should you work at weekends? And when is it acceptable to break the r…
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Episode 53 - Influencers #7 - Charles de Gaulle - Part2
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In the second part of this Influencers, we look at why Charles De Gaulle was ultimately successful in his battle to become the leader of free France over his rival Henri Giraud', his 'difficult' relationship with other Allied leaders, and his post-war influence on France, Europe, and the world.Door Battling With Business
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Episode 52 - Influencers #7 - Charles de Gaulle - Part 1
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In the first Influencers episode of the year, Chris and Gareth discuss Charles De Gaul and his amazing journey from private soldier and war hero to becoming the head of the 5th French Republic. On the way, they discuss the impact of his time in captivity as a German prisoner of war and the role his resolute devotion to France had on his success. Ho…
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Episode 51 - New Years Special - A year of Battling with Business
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In this New Years special Chris and Gareth review the first year of the podcast discussing their favourite episodes, notable guests and the most interesting insights. We reviewed Ian Peggs episode on the role of Chaplains, Joe Browns contributions on Leadership and mentoring, Mark McGraths insights on the OODA loop as well as the contributions from…
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Episode 50 - The Christmas Special - Chris and Gareth’s personal journeys that led them to the Podcast
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Gareth and Chris thought that the end of the year might be a good time to reevaluate why they do the podcast and explore a little bit more about each of their own personal journeys that has led them to being self-confessed Leadership, Management and Strategy nerds. Gareth talks about process of becoming a Royal Marine Commando. Chris describes his …
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Episode 49 - OODA with Mark McGrath
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In this episode, Chris and Gareth are delighted to be joined by Mark McGrath the Chief Operating Officer of AGLX and co-host of the 'No Way Out' Podcast. As a US Marines Officer, economist, and expert on the works of John Boyd, Mark is the perfect guest to help the Battling with Business team really get to grips with the concept of the OODA Loop.…
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Episode 48 - Influencers #6 - David Sterling & Paddy Mayne - The founders the SAS
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The Special Air Service (SAS) is on of the most infamous and yet mysterious Special Forces Units in the world. It all started as a ruse to convince the enemy that the British has considerable Airborne fighting power in the Northern Deserts of North Africa in the Second World War. Several tenacious, bright and arguably slightly unhinged men set out …
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Episode 47- The Gardener of Lashkar Gar - with Defence Editor of The Times, Larisa Brown
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In this episode we have the privilege to be joined by the award winning journalist and Defence Editor of 'The Times', Larisa Brown. We discuss her new book The Gardener of Lashkar Gah: The Afghans who risked everything to fight the Taliban. This book explores the courage of the people of Afghanistan who risked everything to work with British Soldie…
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Episode 46 - The Starfish & The Spider and the power of decentralised networks
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In this episode we look at the concepts from the Book The Starfish and the Spider by Ori Brafman and Rod Beckstrom. We discuss the benefits and disadvantages of decentralisation. Using the analogy of the Starfish as a decentralised and self-healing system and the Spider as a centralised system, the book introduces the contrasting characteristics be…
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Episode 45 - Lessons in stress management from Bomber Command with Mary Brazier
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Mary is both a historian and senior manager. She is currently researching the lengths the RAF went to to protect Bomber Crews from the stresses of a very new type of warfare - strategic bombing. In the episode, we discuss how to identify mental stress and mental fatigue, prevention vs cure, and the meaning of resilience. Join us as we learn about t…
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Episode 44 - Influencers #5 - Dolly Parton
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Perhaps a surprising choice for this Podcast, what could a country & western singer possibly teach us about business, leadership, or decision-making? Turn out, quite a lot. Listen to Gareth and Chris explore the remarkable life of one of America's most beloved singers. From her humble routes, she set out to be successful. As a musician, businesswom…
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Episode 43 - Why people do bad things: Exploring the systemic and institutional failures that led to the Holocaust with Dr. Waitman Beorn
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In this episode, we are privileged to be joined by Dr. Waitman Wade Beorn. He is an author and historian and one of the preeminent academic experts on the Holocaust and the events that led up to the most heinous and barbaric episodes in human history. He is also a previous Tank Commander from the US Cavalry and as such has a tactical appreciation o…
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Episode 42 - How to get people dancing; first followers and loyal dissent
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After a party at Chris's house, he pushed the emergency podcast button to ask why he couldn't get anyone dancing? We explore the concept of the first follwer and the power they have in driving group behaviours. The conversation moves on to wider group dynamics, group-think, and the idea of loyal dissent. We discuss the conditions required to allow …
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Episode 41 - The Loneliness of Command
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When leaders feel that the decisions they need to make isolate them from their teams or even their superiors, they can feel the stress and pressure of their position. In this episode, Chris and Gareth share their experiences of feeling the loneliness of command and explore why this happens. Emotional stress is normal, but there are things that can …
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Episode 40 - The Influencers #4 - Erwin Rommel, ’The Desert Fox’ - Part 2
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Johannes Erwin Rommel, 'The Desert Fox' was a German Field Marshal during the Second World War. Perhaps no other military leader came out of the war with a greater reputation. In this 2-part Influencers episode, Chris and Gareth explore how the legacy of Rommel has endured. Was he a genius or is he over-rated? And why does the myth of the ‘Good Ger…
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