In this insightful and candid conversation, Daniella Mestyanek Young, a scholar of cults, extreme groups, and extremely leadership, joins Rebecca, known as White Woman Whisperer on TikTok and Patreon, to delve into their experiences and revelations about cult dynamics, white supremacy, and systemic racism. Daniella, who grew up in the notorious Children of God cult and later served in the military, shares her journey of understanding and deconstructing white supremacy as a pervasive cult. Re ...
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Biracial co-hosts Sara & Misasha - two wickedly smart, funny, compassionate best friends - have very mixed-race children between them, and are personally invested in helping to uproot systemic racism. Weekly episodes include interviews of people whose stories you might not often listen to; deep dives into history, psychology, and current events to explain why we are where we are as a country; and actions that you take right now to make change in your spheres. We're not perfect, but we're rea ...
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White Women from my observations. Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/tico-tren-red-pill/support
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Dirty Money Moves: Women in White Collar Crime dives deep into cases involving a more rare type of criminal, women who commit financial crimes. Scamming and financial crimes are usually a man’s game, but women dabble in it too. In Season Three of Dirty Money Moves, host, Jami Rice of MURDERISH, the podcast, takes listeners along as she investigates Tracii Hutsona, a self-described “winner” who appeared to have it all: successful businesses, multimillion dollar mansions, luxury cars, and the ...
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262: Farewell 2024, Hello 2025
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Tomorrow, we’ll be wishing our loved ones “akemashite omedetou gozaimasu” - or, Happy New Year, in Japanese. If you’re a long-time listener, you know that DEI work (or whatever we’ll be calling it going forward) is personal to us. We’re both the daughters of a Japanese immigrant parent and a white American parent each; the ideas of multiculturalism…
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"Hollywood Ending?" | S3.5 E4
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It’s been over two years since Elisabeth Finch took her leave of absence from the “Grey’s Anatomy” writer’s room. Once she realized she wouldn’t be getting rehired, and that her web of lies had spun violently out of control, she returned to the same Arizona treatment center where she first met her now ex-wife Jennifer Beyer. Over six months after r…
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Episode 19 | Wicked takes on Wicked
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In this conversation, the speakers explore the themes of race, identity, and representation through the lens of the musical Wicked. They discuss the implications of casting choices, the critique of whiteness, and the importance of diverse narratives in art and media. The conversation emphasizes the need for allyship and understanding different pers…
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"Beyer’s Remorse" | S3.5 E3
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“Grey’s Anatomy” star writer and producer Elisabeth Finch was just confronted by her new wife, Jennifer Beyer, about her supposed cancer claims. A former registered nurse, Jennifer noticed that Elisabeth didn’t seem to have a port scar for chemotherapy treatments. She’d seen photos of Elisabeth during chemotherapy with a bald head, but also with fu…
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261: How I Stopped Being a Model Minority, with Anne Anlin Cheng
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Today’s episode seems to be addressing this question: does politics show up in our everyday lives? Maybe even in our most intimate relationships? And while a lot of folks may be saying politics doesn’t impact me, I don’t do politics… we think the actual answer for most of us in this country is a resounding YES (in fact, we’ve recorded whole episode…
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“Grey’s Anatomy” star writer and producer Elisabeth Finch was apparently going through a lot in the middle of 2019. She remained on top at Grey’s, becoming the de facto writer for any episode dealing with cancer as a subject matter, but she just couldn’t seem to catch a break in her personal life. She claimed she’d lost a kidney to cancer and said …
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Episode 18 | Black Privilege?
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In this conversation, the speakers explore the complexities of privilege, race, and social justice. They discuss how children perceive privilege, the importance of redefining terms like 'white privilege', and the role of community in addressing racism. The conversation also touches on the intersection of feminism and race, the challenges of critiqu…
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"Grey's Anatomy Grifter" | S3.5 E1
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Hollywood writer and TV producer Elisabeth Finch seemed to have it all. After breaking through as a staff writer on the shows “True Blood” and “The Vampire Diaries” at a fairly young age, she was hired at her favorite TV show “Grey's Anatomy.” She got the gig after Shonda Rhimes was handed an article that Elisabeth had written for Elle Magazine abo…
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260: The Anti-Ableist Manifesto, with Tiffany Yu
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There are SO many insightful conversations and incredible stories we’ve shared on this show, and this one was yet another example of one where we went in thinking one thing, and came out thinking another. Because we’ll be talking with an incredible advocate about ableism and disabilities - a label that, if we aren’t already impacted by it, is a lab…
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Episode 17 | Weaponized Literacy
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This conversation explores the evolution of reading from a joyful activity to an obligation, the impact of recommended reading lists, and the cultural narratives that shape our understanding of literature. It delves into the role of education in shaping perspectives, the struggle for authenticity in reading, and the arbitrary nature of degrees and …
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S3 E10: “Scam Chat with Drinking the Koolaid” - Part 2
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In this two-part episode of Dirty Money Moves Jami brings on the hosts of hit podcast, Drinking the Koolaid, Amanda Goodness and Cassidy Liston. The ladies discuss all things scammy, true crime, and reality tv. Cassidy shares her experience eating at Tracii Hustona’s restaurant, Breakfast Bitch while Amanda makes spot-on comparisons between some of…
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Episode 16 | What do we do now?
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In this episode of 'Hey White Women', the first recorded after the 2024 election, hosts Daniella and Rebecca engage in a deep conversation about the role of white women in dismantling white supremacy. They discuss the importance of acknowledging discomfort, the need for collective action, and the power of community in creating change. The conversat…
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259: Making and Maintaining Friendships, with Dr. Marisa G. Franco
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We’ve had a lot of focus on this show leading into Election 2024 about the state of the country and the deep divides that we’re seeing in society. We’re grateful to and for everyone who worked to ensure that democracy worked in early November. AND, given the election results, we know that these divides still exist and have the ability to grow even …
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S3 E9: “Scam Chat with Drinking the Koolaid” - Part 1
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In this two-part episode of Dirty Money Moves Jami brings on the hosts of hit podcast, Drinking the Koolaid, Amanda Goodness and Cassidy Liston. The ladies discuss all things scammy, true crime, and reality tv. Cassidy shares her experience eating at Tracii Hustona’s restaurant, Breakfast Bitch while Amanda makes spot-on comparisons between some of…
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S3 E8: Debbie Lindstrom: "Sister of a Scammer"
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In this eye-opening episode of Dirty Money Moves Jami interviews Debbie Lindstrom, sister of Tracii Hutsona. Join us as Debbie provides insight on her childhood and potential early signs of who Tracii would become as an adult. With a professional background in Psychology, Debbie sheds light on the psychological elements that may be at play in her s…
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Episode 15 | Human Rights vs Pet Rocks
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This unplanned conversation delves into the complexities of anti-racism, personal growth, and the impact of societal norms on individual experiences. The speakers discuss the importance of language, the challenges of navigating discomfort, and the role of community in healing. They also explore the intersection of mental health and racism, emphasiz…
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258: (Why We) Vote For All Of Us
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This is a short episode – about why we vote, and why we hold onto hope today and going forward – and it may be the episode that you need to hear today. If you’ve already voted: THANK YOU. If you haven’t voted yet, pause this and go do that. Spread the word. Please VOTE.Door Misasha and Sara
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Episode 14 | Discomfort Isn’t Danger: Rehumanizing Conflict
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In this conversation, Daniella and Rebecca explore the complexities of human nature, the oversimplification of good and evil narratives, and the importance of rehumanization in social discourse. They discuss the role of white women in social justice, the impact of capitalism on group dynamics, and the necessity of discomfort for personal growth. Th…
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S3 E7: Loriann Hart: “Friends with a Felon”
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In this episode Jami interviews Loriann Hart, a former close friend of Tracii Hutsona’s for many years. When it seemed Tracii and her family might be without housing, Loriann allowed them to live in her palatial guest house for free. According to Loriann, Tracii repaid the generous favor by inviting questionable guests over to the home and attempti…
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Episode 13 | There Are No Easy Answers
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In this conversation, Daniella and Rebecca explore the intersections of entertainment, identity, and societal structures. They discuss the role of whiteness in shaping experiences, the burdens of perfectionism and productivity, and the implications of the cult of entrepreneurship. The conversation delves into the dynamics of social media, the weapo…
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257: Abortion is About Women’s Health and Human Rights. Vote Like It.
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When we first recorded this episode, we were at the end of the Trump presidency, when we still had a legal right to abortion in this country. Roe v. Wade was still the law of the land, and women had access to safe abortion options in many states. Now, on the eve of the 2024 Presidential elections, abortion is on the ballot in a post-Dobbs world, wh…
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S3 E6: “I’ll Be Back B*tches”
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In February 2023, Tracii Hutsona was sentenced to 51 months in Federal Prison for her crimes against Joumana Kidd, and given until April 13th to voluntarily turn herself in to the US Marshals. She ended up turning herself in on March 20th, about a month early, to the prison camp at FCI Phoenix. At first glance, it might seem that Tracii was eager t…
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Episode 12 | Education and Total Institutions (Surprise producer appearance)
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In this suprise guest episode, the speakers explore the challenges of traditional education, particularly for neurodivergent individuals. They discuss the concept of total institutions and how societal norms can impact personal identity and acceptance. The dialogue shifts to the importance of navigating life beyond conventional paths, embracing cha…
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S3 E5: “B*tch Behind Bars”
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On July 17, 2019, The Tonight Show starring Jimmy Fallon aired on NBC. Four minutes into Jimmy’s opening monologue, he made reference to a real-life lawsuit that seemed too ridiculous to be true: the owners of a Miami restaurant, called Bacon Bitch, were suing the owners of a San Diego restaurant called Breakfast Bitch. He joked that it would be th…
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Episode 11 | The Popular Girls Aren't Happy
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This conversation explores the complexities of ageism, objectivity, and bias, particularly in relation to race and gender. The speakers discuss the societal perceptions of age, the historical context of bias, and the reinterpretation of myths through feminist lenses. They delve into the impact of gender in combat and leadership roles, the illusion …
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256: Trump is Still a Liar, Including Project 2025: Why Harris is the Only Choice
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Trump lies repeatedly. He’s shown us who he is. He’ll continue to try distancing himself from Project 2025 because it’s come under fire in public and he’s very image-savvy, but be very, very clear - this is his policy agenda outline. Listen to more of Trump’s policies in his own words, along with more on Project 2025, in this episode. And if you wa…
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S3 E4: “Smoke and Mirrors”
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In January 2007 NBA star point guard for the New Jersey Nets, Jason Kidd, filed for divorce from his wife: actress and journalist Joumana Kidd. What followed was an extremely messy, and very public end to their 10 year marriage. Fast forward 8 years to 2015, Joumana decided it was a good time to move back to her home state of California. As she was…
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S3 E3: “With Friends Like These …”
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It’s September 2008 and Tracii Hutsona has been out on bond for the last 10 months. By this time, the original indictment has been superseded twice, adding numerous charges for the schemes she pulled at several staffing agencies. Tracii has also been evicted from her $1.5 million Orange County, CA home for failing to pay over $30,000 in rent, but J…
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Episode 10 | Sunk Cost Fallacy
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In this conversation, Rebecca and Daniella explore the complexities of content creation, the importance of flexibility, and the challenges of navigating societal expectations. They discuss the value of redefining success, the impact of branding on perception, and the role of secrecy in both corporate and cult environments. The conversation also del…
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255: Representation Matters, with Mona Das
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You know how we both feel about the phrase “oh, stop being so political” for the simple reason that politics IS personal. Political choices impact most things you do on the daily, and often involve the things you care about the most for your community. That’s why, today, we wanted to speak to someone who may not look like who you think of when you …
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S3 E2: “Not a Basic B*tch”
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Tracii Hutsona is so persuasive that she was able to convince a car dealership that she needed an expensive, fancy car for Arnold Schwarzenegger to drive. As a testament to her level of con artistry, she got the car! Tracii, however, maintains that this story isn’t true, that stories about her criminal history are merely exaggerations to make her l…
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Episode 9 | Language of White Supremacy
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In this conversation, Daniella and Rebecca explore the intersections of cult dynamics, whiteness, and gender, discussing how personal experiences shape broader societal issues. They delve into the importance of language, the exit costs of leaving cults, and the power of storytelling. The discussion emphasizes the need for community support, the rol…
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S3 E1: “B*tch in Handcuffs”
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It’s early February, 2021 in Phoenix Arizona. Federal agents have been on the hunt for Tracii Hutsona, a woman wanted on charges of wire fraud and aggravated identity theft for stealing more than $1 million from her cancer-stricken, single mother of three employer. Tracii’s motive: she needed funding for her lavish lifestyle. Agents find Tracci at …
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Episode 8 | White Supremacy in the Cult of Corporate America
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The conversation explores the themes of color, PowerPoint culture, repetitiveness of work, cult-like aspects of organizations, the need for individuality, the impact of white supremacy, and the power of democratized knowledge. In this conversation, Rebecca and Daniella discuss the loaded language around the word 'racist' and the fragility and volat…
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254: How to Get Involved in the 2024 Election, with Sam Chavez
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Trump lies repeatedly. He’s shown us who he is. He’ll continue to try distancing himself from Project 2025 because it’s come under fire in public and he’s very image-savvy, but be very, very clear - this is his policy agenda outline. Listen to more of Trump’s policies in his own words, along with more on Project 2025, in this episode. And if you wa…
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Dirty Money Moves: Women in White Collar Crime is BACK! In Season 3, we’re deep diving into the case involving Tracii Hutsona, a self-described “winner” who appeared to have it all: successful businesses, multimillion dollar mansions, luxury cars, and plenty of cash to spend on high end jewelry and vacations. She’s an intriguing woman who’s had a l…
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Episode 7 | The Undergarments of Control
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The conversation explores the topic of underwear and its role in control and oppression. It delves into the societal expectations and policing of women's bodies, the arbitrary nature of professionalism, and the intersection of underwear with race and gender. The discussion also touches on the history of underwear, the influence of capitalism and co…
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Episode 6 | Body Coverage
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In this conversation, Rebecca and Daniella discuss the concept of body coverage as a form of appearance control in cults and white supremacy. They explore the loaded language and thought-stopping cliches used to enforce modesty and control women's bodies. They also touch on the intersection of race and body coverage, highlighting the policing of bl…
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253: The Resilience Myth, with Soraya Chemaly
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What comes to your mind when you picture someone who’s resilient? Usually, we hear that it’s one person who’s faced a setback, and they remain hopeful and willing to work through the challenges to return to some sort of life they had before. Maybe you’ve heard the phrase “pick themselves up by their bootstraps” to describe this type of person. We k…
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Episode 5 | Kamala Harris and The Glass Cliff
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In this conversation, Daniella and Rebecca discuss the representation of women and people of color in politics, particularly focusing on Kamala Harris. They explore the excitement and hope that Harris's candidacy brings, while also acknowledging the challenges and limitations that come with being a Black woman in a position of power. They emphasize…
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